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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    They should be so lucky.

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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'

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    muskets and six shooters is how things are supposed to be, cyberwestern is much cooler than all this wannabe tactical special ops bullshit
    Hunting Rifles, Hunting Shotguns, Revolvers, legal. Max capacity, 3 shots (5 for revolvers).

    Everything else, illegal with mandatory minimums in prison for possession, doubled for possession during commission of a crime.

    Make room in jail by releasing all non-violent, non-gun-related drug possession convicts.

    Problem solved in my book. 2nd Amendment retained, military-purposed weapons in civilian hands, not retained, law-beakers punished, law-abiders not.
    Yeah, mandatory minimums for possession of weapons, I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong.

    If you want a somewhat entertaining take on this, go read Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn Trilogy (or just the first few chapters). For a more depressing one, John Oliver talked about the effect the drug related ones have in causing violence in 2015.

    In any case, removing hope from people who, by definition, have the means to lash out lethally is a terrible idea.

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    muskets and six shooters is how things are supposed to be, cyberwestern is much cooler than all this wannabe tactical special ops bullshit
    Hunting Rifles, Hunting Shotguns, Revolvers, legal. Max capacity, 3 shots (5 for revolvers).

    Everything else, illegal with mandatory minimums in prison for possession, doubled for possession during commission of a crime.

    Make room in jail by releasing all non-violent, non-gun-related drug possession convicts.

    Problem solved in my book. 2nd Amendment retained, military-purposed weapons in civilian hands, not retained, law-beakers punished, law-abiders not.
    The founders were not worried about a deer uprising. You have no clue why they put in the Second Amendment.
    you would have to be a literal retard to imagine someone legislating in the 1700's would be able to peer into the crystal ball of futures and predict people would be walking around with 30+ round assault rifles capable of killing people from a mile away with a trigger pull

    but then again, you are a literal retard.
    Louise and Clark has a semi-auto rifle on their expedition. It is asinine to think the First Amendment applies to phones, internet and todayís technology, but the Second Amendmentís technology was to be frozen in time.

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    It's asinine to care so much about an old document when you have myriad contemporary social problems you could be addressing but don't give a shit about.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ego Proxy View Post
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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Iím afraid to ask, but you do realize the history behind the 3/5th compromise, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    It's asinine to care so much about an old document when you have myriad contemporary social problems you could be addressing but don't give a shit about.
    Don’t assume you know what issues I do and don’t care about.

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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Iím afraid to ask, but you do realize the history behind the 3/5th compromise, right?
    I certainly do, and there are amazing parallels behind the current census and the proposed citizenship question.

    The underlying 2nd amendment discussion can be passed off to voting scenarios, be it disenfranchisement/redistricting/gerrmandering/id laws/etc/etc.

    And the underlying sentiment is: 'Everyone should have the same freedoms/opportunity/lifestyle/etc, except anyone that doesn't agree with me and my beliefs, fuck those people'

    See 'other than white militants' expressing their second amendment rights to open carry assault style weapons and how the police react for reference.

    The entire 'Murica but my guns' crowd only drowns out the reasonable voices of the segment of the population that understands that firearms are useful tools;
    anecdotally, motor vehicles are useful tools, with great benefits yet potential harm, and we make sure individuals have the training and expertise to operate them efficiently via licensure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    They wanted a well-regulated militia that provided for national defense without the need for a standing army.
    So what you're saying is that they wanted to save some dollars which ended up costing human lives instead?

    Honestly anyone clinging to old misguided documents that don't really apply to the current world is really missing the point IMHO. I have no idea how the USA is ever supposed to climb out of the whole they've dug themselves into on this issue, but recognising that it is a hole seems like the first step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'
    Ahmaud Arbery was caught several times breaking and entering the next door neighbour's house, which was being renovated.
    They (retardedly) try to make a half assed citizen's arrest due to him matching the guy caught on cctv, and the fact that he is sprinting away from that same house that was burlarized several times recently.
    Arbery then rushes the youngest of the retard duo, and attacks him, and miserably fails to steal his shotgun, leading up to his well deserved Darwin award.

    That case is just a beautiful display of what happens when complete and utter morons collide.

    Nobody there got murdered in cold blood.
    I don't have prejudice, I hate everyone equally.

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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'
    Ahmaud Arbery was caught several times breaking and entering the next door neighbour's house, which was being renovated.
    They (retardedly) try to make a half assed citizen's arrest due to him matching the guy caught on cctv, and the fact that he is sprinting away from that same house that was burlarized several times recently.
    Arbery then rushes the youngest of the retard duo, and attacks him, and miserably fails to steal his shotgun, leading up to his well deserved Darwin award.

    That case is just a beautiful display of what happens when complete and utter morons collide.

    Nobody there got murdered in cold blood.
    Pretty sure the folks with the firearms that didn't die in that scenario don't benefit from Qualified Immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'
    Ahmaud Arbery was caught several times breaking and entering the next door neighbour's house, which was being renovated.
    They (retardedly) try to make a half assed citizen's arrest due to him matching the guy caught on cctv, and the fact that he is sprinting away from that same house that was burlarized several times recently.
    Arbery then rushes the youngest of the retard duo, and attacks him, and miserably fails to steal his shotgun, leading up to his well deserved Darwin award.

    That case is just a beautiful display of what happens when complete and utter morons collide.

    Nobody there got murdered in cold blood.
    Bullshit and more lying bullshit.

    https://youtu.be/aS2wupls2k4

    https://youtu.be/96SQpoXUNDE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'
    Ahmaud Arbery was caught several times breaking and entering the next door neighbour's house, which was being renovated.
    They (retardedly) try to make a half assed citizen's arrest due to him matching the guy caught on cctv, and the fact that he is sprinting away from that same house that was burlarized several times recently.
    Arbery then rushes the youngest of the retard duo, and attacks him, and miserably fails to steal his shotgun, leading up to his well deserved Darwin award.

    That case is just a beautiful display of what happens when complete and utter morons collide.

    Nobody there got murdered in cold blood.
    Bullshit and more lying bullshit.

    https://youtu.be/aS2wupls2k4

    https://youtu.be/96SQpoXUNDE
    So I should judge these retards guilty of (cold blooded) MURDER, from some videos that withholds available evidence and misrepresenting the evidence that is represented?

    Ahmaud Arbery entered someone else's dwelling (felony burglary in GA if intent to commit a felony or theft), looked around in the garage for roughly 3 minutes, sprinted from the scene after being confronted by one of the neighbors, then assaulted an armed retard, which ended in his death.

    Edit: The same house was previously burglarised for $2500 in fishing gear, but not reported to police, and one of the redneck retards had a gun stolen from his truck.
    Last edited by Losvar; May 12 2020 at 10:54:07 AM. Reason: 3 minutes not 10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlona Sky View Post
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    It's asinine to care so much about an old document when you have myriad contemporary social problems you could be addressing but don't give a shit about.
    Don’t assume you know what issues I do and don’t care about.
    You identify as a right libertarian, your only solution to issues you care about is to expose them to market forces and hope everything works out for the better. I know, I spent two years calling myself a minarchist and reading Hayek, Rothbard, Friedman and Nozick until I realised none of it made any sort of sense greater than the sum of its parts.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    That’s a huge jump from “your facts are wrong” to “so we should condemn these other guys huh?” Funny how you’ll go through all the motions to defend the men who literally lynched a man.

    Here’s your first hint: the dead man didn’t commit a felony.

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    PS: I think you’re a racist shitbag. I might not have been fully clear in my previous post.

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    All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
    okay but actually
    In the minds of a non-zero amount of the population, 'make america great again' involves treating people as 3/5 again...
    Those two redneck fucks that decided to murder a black man in cold blood were playing out a nice fantasy of all the fat morons that wish they were able to run down a few runaway slaves and take out their frustrations with a good old shootin'
    Ahmaud Arbery was caught several times breaking and entering the next door neighbour's house, which was being renovated.
    They (retardedly) try to make a half assed citizen's arrest due to him matching the guy caught on cctv, and the fact that he is sprinting away from that same house that was burlarized several times recently.
    Arbery then rushes the youngest of the retard duo, and attacks him, and miserably fails to steal his shotgun, leading up to his well deserved Darwin award.

    That case is just a beautiful display of what happens when complete and utter morons collide.

    Nobody there got murdered in cold blood.
    Bullshit and more lying bullshit.

    https://youtu.be/aS2wupls2k4

    https://youtu.be/96SQpoXUNDE
    So I should judge these retards guilty of (cold blooded) MURDER, from some videos that withholds available evidence and misrepresenting the evidence that is represented?

    Ahmaud Arbery entered someone else's dwelling (felony burglary in GA if intent to commit a felony or theft), looked around in the garage for almost 10 minutes, sprinted from the scene after being confronted by one of the neighbors, then assaulted an armed retard, which ended in his death.

    Edit: The same house was previously burglarised for $2500 in fishing gear, but not reported to police, and one of the redneck retards had a gun stolen from his truck.
    Capitalization sensationalism combined with slurs against populations living with disabilities will surely strengthen any argument I am trying to make in the year 2020, right?

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    Okay, all parties in the case seem to be less gifted in the intelligence departement, compared to the average person.
    There.

    He broke into (it wasn't locked though) a house that was being renovated (but still inhabited), a house were there had recently been a burglary.
    Neighbors that were reasonably a bit on edge after themselves having had a gun stolen from their truck took it upon themselves to apprehend Arbery, which was sprinting from the house he had just illegally entered.
    When asked to stop, Arbery attacks an armed man for whatever reason, could be argued that he did so in self defense, and then ends up shot and killed.

    These are facts, and they are all on tape.

    Arbery did not get shot for stealing anything, or for being black, he got shot for attacking an armed person that tried to hold him so that police could investigate whatever was going on.

    You have some serious race issues in America, generated and perpetuated by media and politicians (both sides), and bullshit cases like this just drive up the racial tension for no good reason.
    I don't have prejudice, I hate everyone equally.

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    Why are citizens heavily arming themselves and chasing down people they suspect of petty theft?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
    PS: I think you’re a racist shitbag. I might not have been fully clear in my previous post.
    How in the fuck did you come to that conclusion?
    Is it racist to say he died due to his own stupid actions combined with the stupid actions of some white dudes?

    Maybe I just grow tired of this race baiting bullshit and media sensationalism, we even have this shit on the news here in Norway, it's literally Zimmerman 2.0
    I don't have prejudice, I hate everyone equally.

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