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    What legalized states with decent economies bankrolling these Christofascist shitbags and their failed state shitholes, because we should repeal that and spend the money on decent places instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Two stupid tweets
    So both sides still competing who can do more retarded statements in effort to get their bases enthusiastic for the mid terms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    both sides
    Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

    Ohio Republicans Would Rather Impeach a Judge than Stop Cheating at Elections: https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ander-1323657/
    Shortly after the Ohio Supreme Court ruled — for the third time — that GOP-approved legislative maps unconstitutionally favored Republicans over Democrats, Republicans in the state house are considering impeaching the court’s chief justice, The Columbus Dispatch reported Friday.

    Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor cast the deciding vote earlier this week in a 4-3 ruling that found that the maps violated redistricting rules voters approved in 2015.

    “The evidence shows that the individuals who controlled the map-drawing process exercised that control with the overriding intent to maintain as much of an advantage as possible for members of their political party,” the majority’s opinion read.

    O’Connor, a Republican, also sided with the court’s liberal wing earlier this year in tossing out Republican-backed congressional maps after deciding that districts were gerrymandered to the GOP’s advantage.

    Now, rather than take the court’s advice and “retain an independent map drawer…to draft a plan through a transparent process,” some Republican legislators are discussing invoking their power to impeach the judge, who will step down at the end of the year due to the court’s age limits.
    Marsha Blackburn Lectures First Black Woman Nominated to Supreme Court on ‘So-Called’ White Privilege: https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ilege-1324815/
    The confirmation hearings for Ketanji Brown Jackson began on Monday and, as expected, Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee were a little concerned about President Biden’s pick to replace Stephen Breyer on the Supreme Court. Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) went so far as to suggest to Jackson, a Black woman, that white privilege doesn’t exist in America, a country where of the 114 justices to have been confirmed to sit on the highest court in the land, only two have been Black.

    “You serve on the board of a school that teaches kindergartners, five-year-old children, that they can choose their gender, and that teaches them about so-called white privilege,” Blackburn said after bashing the “radical left.”

    Blackburn continued to drill down on critical race theory, the GOP’s culture-war topic du jour. “You have praised the 1619 Project, which argues the U.S. is a fundamentally racist country, and you have made clear that you believe judges must consider critical race theory when deciding how to sentence criminal defendants,” she said. “Is it your personal hidden agenda to incorporate critical race theory into our legal system?”

    Blackburn wasn’t the only Republican to touch on race on Monday. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) spent most of his opening statement whining about Democrats’ treatment of Justice Brett Kavanaugh after they wanted to question the then-nominee after he was credibly accused of sexual assault, but he also echoed widespread GOP concern that Jackson’s skin color had more to do with her nomination than her credentials. “I want the Supreme Court to look more like the country, but I want it to operate within the confines of the Constitution,” he said.

    The Washington Post pointed out on Sunday that, if confirmed, Jackson would be the only active Supreme Court justice to have attended an Ivy League law school, clerked for a Supreme Court justice, served as a public defender, served on the sentencing commission, served as a U.S. District Court judge, and served as a U.S. Court of Appeals judge.

    She seems to be qualified.
    The rest are spoilered because fuck oversized phone screencaps.
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    We turn to Tom now at the "Judges are mental" desk:

    Judges scrutinize demand for Trump tax returns: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...ngress-appeal/

    Even though he is out of office, exposure of former president Donald Trump’s tax returns would raise concerns about the balance of power between Congress and the White House, a panel of federal judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit suggested Thursday.

    “We’ve got to look at this case as executive branch versus legislation branch as institutions,” said Judge Karen L. Henderson, a President George H.W. Bush appointee. “If this case drags out, he could be a sitting president again.”

    The hearing was the latest clash in years of litigation between House Democrats who want access to Trump’s financial records and the former president, who promised to release his tax returns as a candidate but never did. He was the first major party nominee in decades to keep that information hidden.

    In 2020, the Supreme Court ruled that demands from members of Congress for the personal records of a sitting president must be held to a higher standard to preserve the balance of power between the two branches of government.

    But now that he is again a private citizen, the lawmakers argue they are entitled to those tax returns in pursuit of stronger financial disclosure and auditing legislation.

    “We have only one president at a time,” Douglas Letter, counsel for the House of Representatives, said in court, disputing Henderson’s characterization of the case. “There is no serious separation-of-powers argument here anymore; there is no clash between the executive and legislative branches.”

    However, Judge David B. Sentelle, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, questioned whether the fear that records could be demanded by lawmakers after a president leaves office could influence that president’s behavior in the White House.

    “Isn’t there some possibility of interference with separation of powers even with respect to a non-sitting president because of its potential effect on the actions of the sitting president?” he asked.

    Attorney Gerard Sinzdak, representing the Treasury Department, agreed but said the concern was “attenuated” when it came to tax returns rather than papers related to presidential decision-making.

    “We are talking about the records of a private individual, not materials subject to privilege,” he said.

    Even under the higher standard created by the Supreme Court, Letter argued, the request for the tax returns is valid.

    “The Committee has a substantial interest in Mr. Trump’s tax return information given the unparalleled challenges his tax profile and actions as President raised for the IRS,” he wrote in a court brief.

    Sentelle and Henderson were joined on the panel by Judge Robert L. Wilkins, an appointee of President Barack Obama.

    The House Ways & Means Committee is seeking Trump’s tax records from 2015 to 2020, saying they would inform future legislation on what presidents must disclose and how they are audited by the Internal Revenue Service. Trump is trying to block the release on the grounds that the demand is politically motivated.

    “The goal here is to immediately publicly expose and release President Trump’s tax returns,” Trump attorney Cameron Norris said in oral argument.

    The same circuit recently ruled that Trump had to hand over to Congress records related to the Jan. 6 attack; the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal of that decision.

    Federal law explicitly gives the committee access to any taxpayer’s return, but Trump’s attorneys argue that law is unconstitutional and that the lawmakers’ purpose is nakedly political.

    U.S. District Judge Trevor N. McFadden, a Trump appointee, had earlier ruled in favor of the lawmakers, saying even if some voiced political motives, there was also a legislative case for release. In the same courthouse, another judge last year granted the House Oversight and Reform Committee access to some but not all of Trump’s personal financial records in a separate legal battle. Trump is appealing that decision, as well.

    In New York, Trump had been fighting against the release of his tax returns to the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office as investigators there probe his business activities. The documents were turned over last year after a nearly two-year court battle challenging the subpoena compelling the records. The accounting firm that prepared them said in a statement in February that the records could not be relied upon as accurate.
    An Anti-Vax Judge Is Preventing the Navy From Deploying a Warship: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...s-freedom.html

    At this moment, the United States Navy is preparing to deploy a 10,000-ton warship carrying 320 officers and sailors, along with missiles, torpedoes, and a mounted artillery gun. This ship, known as a guided-missile destroyer, defends the United States and its allies on the seas. Although its next mission remains secret, it may bolster American military presence in Europe as Russian aggression pushes the continent into war. But the Navy cannot currently deploy this warship, because it has lost trust in its commanding officer, an anti-vaxxer who has repeatedly disobeyed lawful orders, misled superiors, and allegedly exposed dozens of his crew to COVID-19 due to a refusal to get tested.

    The Navy wants to remove this officer, whom I’ll call John Doe, from command of the destroyer. But it can’t, because a single federal judge in Tampa has forbidden it. This judge has overruled multiple admirals and captains who assert, under oath, that deploying the ship with Doe in charge would imperil national security. He instead ordered the Navy, under threat of sanction, to keep this disobedient officer in charge of a $1.8 billion warship. The federal judiciary is quite literally preventing the nation from defending itself at sea.

    That judge, Steven Douglas Merryday, is a George H.W. Bush nominee who sits on a federal trial court in Florida. He gained notoriety in 2021 after blocking a CDC order that limited cruise ship operations due to the pandemic. So, when the far-right Liberty Counsel sought to halt President Joe Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for the armed forces, they took their case to Merryday’s court. Predictably, they prevailed: In February, Merryday ruled that the mandate violated the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, siding with the plaintiffs, Navy Commander John Doe and Lieutenant Colonel Jane Smith. (I’ve applied these pseudonyms to the officers because the court granted them anonymity.)

    But Merryday did not merely exempt Doe and Smith from the mandate. Rather, he handed down a sweeping restraining order that prohibited the Navy from taking any “adverse action” against the plaintiffs because of their unvaccinated status. Specifically, he barred the Navy from reassigning them for any reason whatsoever.

    This order created immediate problems. An active-duty member of the Marine Corps, Smith is slated to take command of a Combat Logistics Battalion later this year. As Lieutenant General W.M. Jurney attested, this commander must disembark at ally nations all over the world. Many of these countries require all U.S. service members to be vaccinated against COVID before stepping on their shores. Because she is unvaccinated, Smith is not “worldwide deployable,” in Jurney’s words. And yet Merryday has forced the Navy to deploy her.

    But Doe poses the bigger threat. He is currently the commanding officer of a warship that may soon set sail. If he falls seriously ill at sea—which is more likely because he refuses the vaccine—he may thwart the entire mission. The issue, however, goes deeper than that. In declarations, Vice Admiral D.W. Dwyer and Captain Frank Brandon explained that Doe’s anti-vax beliefs are part of a broader pattern of insubordination. Brandon testified that last November, he spoke with Doe on Doe’s ship one day before its scheduled departure. Doe was experiencing multiple symptoms of COVID, and appeared to have a relatively severe case; he could, Brandon recalled, “barely speak.” Yet Doe refused to get tested—a clear violation of protocol—and attended a briefing in a cramped room with about 60 other people. Brandon ordered Doe to get a test, which revealed that he did, indeed, have COVID, and exposed dozens of others to the virus.

    Doe engaged in other deceptive behavior. For instance, when requesting leave, he concealed the fact that he was flying to another state, which would have triggered a mandatory risk assessment. After Brandon discovered this subterfuge, he learned that Doe had traveled to a high-risk area, requiring five days’ quarantine upon return. Doe did not inform his Executive Officer of this extended absence, creating a “significant and very rare” disruption “across the waterfront” during a crucial phase of ship preparation. Brandon concluded that Doe “intentionally deceived me,” “put his crew at risk,” “failed to comply with the Navy’s COVID-19 policies,” and engaged in “negligent behavior” in “performance of his duties.”

    “I do not trust [Doe] with the lives of our Sailors,” Brandon testified. He continued:

    I am responsible for the well-being of my Squadron, including welfare of my ships and the health of my sailors. My loss of confidence in [Doe] is … based on the fact that I cannot trust his judgment, I cannot trust him to look after the welfare of his sailors, and I cannot trust him to be honest with me. In my judgment, allowing him to remain in command of a Navy warship would be reckless.

    Brandon’s view is shared across the Navy. In Dwyer’s alarming declaration, the vice admiral explained that Doe would constitute a “manifest national security concern” if he remains a commanding officer. “It is untenable that a subordinate commander may choose to disregard, modify, or half-heartedly execute a senior officer’s orders due to his or her personal beliefs,” Dwyer testified. This insubordination “degrades mission effectiveness and the ability of the strike group to perform its mission in the interest of U.S. national security.”

    Merryday’s order, Dwyer noted, “requires the Navy to leave a subordinate commander in command of a warship, despite his senior officer’s questions relating to his fitness to discharge his duties as ordered. Under no circumstances would the Navy typically deploy a commander in an operational capacity with whom his or her superior officers have such reservations.”

    In light of these fears, the Department of Justice pleaded with Merryday to pause his decision. On Wednesday, he declined. Merryday scorned the notion that Doe might get sick, writing that he is “triumphantly fit and slim and strong.” He also implied that Navy leadership may be lying about Doe’s insubordination in retaliation against his religious beliefs. Merryday declined to fully credit their testimony until he could subject them to cross-examination. He concluded that the plaintiffs’ right to religious liberty trumps the Navy’s profound national security concerns.

    The Navy and the federal judiciary are therefore in a standoff. The Navy will not deploy Doe’s warship until he is stripped of command. Merryday will not allow it to do so. As a result, Merryday has effectively taken a 10,000 ton, $1.8 billion guided-missile destroyer out of commission. As the Navy builds up its naval presence in Europe to guard against further Russian aggression, it is down a ship—solely because an unelected judge in Tampa has inserted himself into the chain of command.

    This situation is untenable. Already, a Texas judge, abetted by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, has freed nearly three dozen SEALs from the vaccine mandate, a decision that high-ranking officers say will put the world at risk. Now Merryday is holding back a warship from deployment—and the judicial resistance to military mandate is just beginning. These cases are on a fast-track to the Supreme Court. If the justices do not confirm that judges must respect the commander-in-chief’s lawful orders, thousands of other service members like Doe will unleash chaos on the armed forces.
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    Finally, long overdue
    Smoking rifle: Trump Jr texted Meadows strategies to overturn election
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lection-result
    Does a population have informed consent when that population is not taught the inner workings of its monetary system, and then is drawn, all unknowing, into economic adventures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    Finally, long overdue
    Smoking rifle: Trump Jr texted Meadows strategies to overturn election
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lection-result
    We have multiple paths[.] We control them all.”

    I stopped reading there.
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    Disney’s Special District Tells Ron DeSantis to Cough Up $1 Billion or STFU: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022...creek-debt/amp

    Last week, like the petty tyrant he is, Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill dissolving Walt Disney World’s special district status, as retribution for the company’s decision to speak out against his bigoted “Don’t Say Gay” law. Set to go into effect next June, the move abolishes Disney’s self-governing jurisdiction, the Reedy Creek Improvement District, and no longer allows it to effectively run its own city in and around the theme park. That means the counties of Orange and Osceola would be required to pay for services like firefighting, which Disney currently covers, and would be on the hook for Reedy Creek’s roughly $1 billion in outstanding bond debt. In other words, DeSantis’s act of revenge would not only punish a private company for condemning his anti-LGBTQ+ law, it would likely punish Florida residents too, whose property taxes would go through the roof. Which is a pretty wild thing for a governor to do, particularly one from a party that talks a big game about “cutting taxes” and “free speech.” But all of this might be moot anyway, because Disney apparently knows Florida’s laws better than DeSantis and has said that actually, he can’t do jack unless he pays off Reedy Creek’s debts first, and until then, it’ll be business as usual in Mouse Town.

    In a statement to its bondholders, reported by CNN, the Reedy Creek Improvement District pointed out that the 1967 state law establishing Disney’s special district states that Florida “will not in any way impair the rights or remedies of the holders…until all such bonds together with interest thereon, and all costs and expenses in connection with any act or proceeding by or on behalf of such holders, are fully met and discharged.” In other words, DeSantis’s attempt to dissolve the district is illegal unless he coughs up $1 billion first and because of that, Reedy Creek told bondholders, it’s not going anywhere.

    “In light of the State of Florida’s pledge to the District's bondholders, Reedy Creek expects to explore its options while continuing its present operations, including levying and collecting its ad valorem taxes and collecting its utility revenues, paying debt service on its ad valorem tax bonds and utility revenue bonds, complying with its bond covenants and operating and maintaining its properties,” the district wrote in the statement.

    Last week, amidst DeSantis’s petty act of retribution, Orange County tax collector Scott Randolph told The Washington Post, “Orange County is going to be stuck with $164 million or more per year in expenses with no revenue. So they’re going to have to raise property taxes. This is a huge tax increase on the citizens of Orange County that they’ll have to pay every single year.” Florida state representative Carlos Smith, also noted that, if dissolved, the hundreds of people who work for Reedy Creek—who are presumably Florida residents—will lose their jobs. Which is apparently fine with the governor, who reportedly has his sights set on the White House in 2024 and thinks operating like a dictator will appeal to the base, or at the very least, keep him in regular rotation on Fox News. “If Disney wants to pick a fight, they chose the wrong guy,” DeSantis wrote in a fundraising email to supporters on Wednesday last week. “I will not allow a woke corporation based in California to run our state.”

    But apparently that “woke corporation” won’t be surrendering so easily!
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    Pretty sure DeSantis is trying to lock in support for the Republican presidential primaries in '23 and is fine if the anti trans laws fail. (DeSantis for President to fix the evil libtard pro child grooming judiciary and fight the lefty Commiefornia corporations that are corrupting our children.)

    If he can go into the primaries with around 25% support via culture warrior bs and name recognition he's going to be one of the last 2 or 3 standing, will pick up more support as the losers drop out and has a legitimate shot at winning, assuming that he doesn't implode like Rubio did or get steamrollered by Trump.

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    He picked a fight with the Mouse. You don't do that if you know what's good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    He picked a fight with the Mouse. You don't do that if you know what's good for you.
    His thinking will be "why not? If the hammer is big enough" (or enough cats around (to distract))
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapcuoivinh View Post
    usa and nato vs rusia, who win? people suffer
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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rapcuoivinh View Post
    usa and nato vs rusia, who win? people suffer
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    Not 'rong tho
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    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Roe v Wade is gonna get overturned with quite a scathing draft by the republican justices. Wonder how those people who voted to confirm Neil and Brett feels now considering they said roe v wade is considered the law of the land.

    I feel sorry for our ameribros
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    Yeah, looks like a major step back in time.


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    What is stopping a Republican AG from petitioning SCOTUS and asking that the Civil Rights Act be ruled unconstitutional, with out first going through the lower courts? What is preventing it from happening next week?
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    Wtf are the burgers doing?

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    Regressing
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Not sure why anyone would think this to be a surprise, old geriatric white evangelists will always try to control women.

    The only thing surprising is the timing, the decision was supposed to be made after the election this fall. This just might keep Democrats in control of the senate.

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    US willingly embraces more Sharia Law.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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