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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Mark Cuban launches a drug website with low-price medications: https://costplusdrugs.com/

    A rich person with good intentions? Doesn't Mark Cuban know how to billionaire?
    How is he doing that? I would imagine he couldn’t beat WalMart prices and I know Amazon was trying to expand into the pharmaceutical business.

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    Supreme Court knocks NY gun law restricting the right to carry on the head, affecting potentially seven other States with similar laws. Vote went 6-3 on ideological lines.

    Already the whining has begun from the President and various Governors and Politicians. But I think that they are all missing the crux of the decision.

    What the Supreme Court is saying is that citizens do not have to plead a special case to have their Constitutional Rights recognised. This principal is important because if the Government gets to decide who does or doesn't get their constitutional rights then you don't actually have any rights at all.

    This judgement doesn't rule out restrictions, but it puts the onus onto Government not the citizen to demonstrate why a constitutional right should be restricted or withdrawn. Government of course doesn't like this but they have the resources to take matters to the courts more easily than an individual citizen.

    Fundamentally if you want to remove the right of every American to own guns by default you need to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise Government will have to come up with restrictions with a defendable basis not blanket bans.

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    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.


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    Though it does better overall compared to the U.S., I wouldn't pick U.K. as my first choice when considering such a drastic move.

    I'd pick a scandinavian country. I can't remember the last time I thought "Germany does this better." when I was made aware of how a scandinavian country does <thing> compared to us.

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    Should have packed the courts when they had the chance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    at least we're not Greece.

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    Again maybe the Dems should entertain this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judici...m_Bill_of_1937

    Since the U.S. Constitution does not define the Supreme Court's size, Roosevelt believed it was within the power of Congress to change it. Members of both parties viewed the legislation as an attempt to stack the court, and many Democrats, including Vice President John Nance Garner, opposed it.[4][5] The bill came to be known as Roosevelt's "court-packing plan", a phrase coined by Edward Rumely
    Anyway half of the US is going to be, well can't say it nicely, shit. All hail Gilead get on your knees and pray.
    Does a population have informed consent when that population is not taught the inner workings of its monetary system, and then is drawn, all unknowing, into economic adventures?

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    The odds of the Dems having the votes to Court Pack is nil.

    The odds of a near-future Trump-led Congress having the votes to Court Pack is (literal Emperor scenes "First Gallactic Empire, for peace and prosperity!") vastly higher.

    There is no circumstance where the Dems are going to win in the near-future.

    No leaders worth piss all, no message with any resonance, an uninspired voter-base and an ideological split within itself (Moderates vs. Progressives) that does not exist any longer on the right.

    And as of today, everything SCOTUS gave SCOTUS could now take away. Not saying the will, yet, but they can. Stare Decisis is no longer the thing it once was.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.



    The American Taliban has won. It's over.

    .
    Just linking it yet again
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.
    You’re a white man, nothing about your life will change in any noticeable way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.
    This might be right up your alley:

    https://www.youtube.com/c/LoveMyPoland/videos

    US expats are still treated as proverbial holy cows here, might as well take advantage of it while it lasts.

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    The same day Roe v Wade was overturned, Germany‘s parliament voted to remove the law banning doctors from providing information on abortions.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-moves-...law/a-62014740
    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The same day Roe v Wade was overturned, Germany‘s parliament voted to remove the law banning doctors from providing information on abortions.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-moves-...law/a-62014740
    That was about time. You can advertise for everything but couldn't provide public information about abortion.... me chuckles head.


    Anectode:
    In Germany a married women wasn't allowed to work without the men's consent and couldn't dispose her own money. That changed 1958 but still she was only allowed to work as long as she "fulfilled all her obligations in marriage", that changed 1977.

    Abortion laws changed several times but since 1975 abortion within the first 12 weeks after a medical certificate was without criminal prosecution that changed 1995. Today abortions are allowed within the first 12 weeks after a mandatory council.
    Does a population have informed consent when that population is not taught the inner workings of its monetary system, and then is drawn, all unknowing, into economic adventures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The same day Roe v Wade was overturned, Germany‘s parliament voted to remove the law banning doctors from providing information on abortions.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-moves-...law/a-62014740
    That was about time. You can advertise for everything but couldn't provide public information about abortion.... me chuckles head.


    Anectode:
    In Germany a married women wasn't allowed to work without the men's consent and couldn't dispose her own money. That changed 1958 but still she was only allowed to work as long as she "fulfilled all her obligations in marriage", that changed 1977.

    Abortion laws changed several times but since 1975 abortion within the first 12 weeks after a medical certificate was without criminal prosecution that changed 1995. Today abortions are allowed within the first 12 weeks after a mandatory council.
    Funniest bit about how backwards German laws were: East Germany decriminalized homosexuality in the early 60s, completely legalized in the late 60s. When Germany reunited, homosexuality was still illegal in West Germany. Until 1994 homosexuality was illegal in West Germany and legal in East Germany.

    Back to the US:



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    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.
    You’re a white man, nothing about your life will change in any noticeable way.
    Who said it was about me or how I'd be effected? I care about my fellow citizens, not just myself.

    When you see your home country going Nazi Germany mixed with Taliban Afghanistan, people of good character will not be happy about it, nor want to live in it, even if they themselves might not be effected.

    But lets be honest, if you think this abortion ruling is it, you're being naive. So while I may not need an abortion, I am likely to be effected by other Trumpist Taliban future moves, if you needed a "selfish" reason for why I care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.
    This might be right up your alley:

    https://www.youtube.com/c/LoveMyPoland/videos

    US expats are still treated as proverbial holy cows here, might as well take advantage of it while it lasts.
    I absolutely loved Poland when I've visited, beautiful country and good people (mostly).

    But from afar, it seems they've got a bit of the same ultra-conservativism that's here in the States tho, which is a bit worrying. Plus not sure I want to have to defend Warsaw from the Russians in a few years...

    And the language issue is likely a killer, no way I'm learning Polish this late in life.

    Still, the idea of retiring to Poland has crossed my mind more than once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    It's Official.

    Roe v. Wade has been fully overturned. Abortion Rights and Privacy are now States issues.

    I believe about 20 or so States had insta-effect laws passed that take effect immediately now that the SCOTUS has made this move, so Abortion is now effectively 100% illegal in about half of the U.S.

    But at least women can now have unfettered and unlimited access to concealed carry firearms....

    The American Taliban has won. It's over. Midterms are going to be a total shit-show for Dems even with today motivating voters, and I'd bet good money Trump (or at 'best' Desantis) is back in 2024, and that'll be it.

    Ponders what my UK passport can do for me in the future, before we get to full Mad Max here.
    This might be right up your alley:

    https://www.youtube.com/c/LoveMyPoland/videos

    US expats are still treated as proverbial holy cows here, might as well take advantage of it while it lasts.
    I absolutely loved Poland when I've visited, beautiful country and good people (mostly).

    But from afar, it seems they've got a bit of the same ultra-conservativism that's here in the States tho, which is a bit worrying. Plus not sure I want to have to defend Warsaw from the Russians in a few years...

    And the language issue is likely a killer, no way I'm learning Polish this late in life.

    Still, the idea of retiring to Poland has crossed my mind more than once.
    Nope.



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    Literally the entire world is turning toward towards conservatism and nationalism as a reaction to the world turning towards conservatism and nationalism.

    Resource wars!!!11! are a go. Good luck y'all

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    Can anyone confirm/deny this piece of reporting?

    France limits most abortions to 14 weeks, which was only recently increased from 12 weeks in February. That makes it similar to other countries in Europe, although more restrictive than countries like England, where abortions are mostly limited to up to 24 weeks
    Is this accurate? Is France actually more restrictive than the Mississippi law that was what the SC ruled on (which was, if I recall, set at 15 weeks).


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    With just 8 abortion clinics, Minnesota may struggle to meet out-of-state demand: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...f-state-demand

    In Minnesota, abortion is protected by the state's constitution and is legal up to the point of viability, which is generally thought to begin at about 24 weeks, when the fetus can survive outside the womb. Abortions after the point of fetal viability are allowed only to preserve the life or health of the mother. Minnesota also is one of 16 states where Medicaid covers the procedure beyond limited circumstances allowed by federal law, a policy designed to boost access for low-income women.

    Yet the reality of obtaining an abortion in Minnesota is complicated. Minnesota has just eight clinics that provide abortions. Most are in or near the Twin Cities and offer abortions only during the first trimester. One, a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, provides abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

    Those who work with Minnesotans who seek abortions say barriers, both legal and practical, forced some to travel to Colorado, Nebraska, New Mexico, Washington, D.C., and Wisconsin even prior to the Supreme Court's decision.

    "It's not a haven," said Shayla Walker, executive director of the Minneapolis-based abortion assistance fund Our Justice. The nonprofit helps patients cover the cost of the care, which can exceed $1,000, and related expenses like lodging. "Just because other people have worse laws doesn't mean our laws are good."

    Clinicians and abortion rights advocates say Minnesota patients regularly wait at least two weeks for appointments at state clinics — a delay that could push people past the window when an abortion is an option.

    "Even over this year working with abortion funds and clinics here, they're sending people from Minnesota out to other states because there are not enough appointments," particularly for those in the second trimester, said Megan Peterson, executive director of Gender Justice, a nonprofit that advocates for gender equity.

    As abortion bans expand, she said, "I don't think states like Minnesota are prepared for that influx."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post

    Abortion laws changed several times but since 1975 abortion within the first 12 weeks after a medical certificate was without criminal prosecution that changed 1995. Today abortions are allowed within the first 12 weeks after a mandatory council.
    Have to update this because so many hinges on the time. German abortion law is rather complicated with lots of exceptions. In short and paraphrasing:
    - Up to 12 weeks abortions are possible after a mandatory council.
    - Past 12 weeks abortions are possible after a medical certificate (several indications, including the woman psychological, emotional health). In principle abortions under this rule are possible just before birth.
    - Up to 12 weeks after rape without any red tape, a talk with a doctor is enough.

    In principle a women can abort past 12 weeks under the medical indication of heavy emotional stress.
    Last edited by Jori McKie; June 26 2022 at 04:05:04 AM.
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