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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    occurred when the Honduran Army on June 28, 2009 followed orders from the Honduran Supreme Court to oust President Manuel Zelaya and send him into exile.[3] Zelaya had attempted to schedule a non-binding poll on holding a referendum on convening a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution.
    How come all these innocent victims are always trying to rewrite the constitution to give themselves indefinite power?
    What will you be doing when the Roberts court tells people to just live without Medicare?

    There's a reason why so many Latin American leaders try to shake up their political system in this way. When a sham democracy has been captured by a handful of families who own all the wealth, it's hard to get really upset on behalf of a bunch of conservative judges who were always going to strike down any progress
    Nice false equivalence.

    Becoming el presidente for life is never the way to solve any of it. They should get better at grooming viable successors.
    Like Hillary Clinton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    occurred when the Honduran Army on June 28, 2009 followed orders from the Honduran Supreme Court to oust President Manuel Zelaya and send him into exile.[3] Zelaya had attempted to schedule a non-binding poll on holding a referendum on convening a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution.
    How come all these innocent victims are always trying to rewrite the constitution to give themselves indefinite power?
    What will you be doing when the Roberts court tells people to just live without Medicare?

    There's a reason why so many Latin American leaders try to shake up their political system in this way. When a sham democracy has been captured by a handful of families who own all the wealth, it's hard to get really upset on behalf of a bunch of conservative judges who were always going to strike down any progress
    Nice false equivalence.

    Becoming el presidente for life is never the way to solve any of it. They should get better at grooming viable successors.
    Where is the false equivalence? There's at least one party and one class in this country that's busy pulling all the anti-majoritarian levers they can to grind everything to a halt.
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    occurred when the Honduran Army on June 28, 2009 followed orders from the Honduran Supreme Court to oust President Manuel Zelaya and send him into exile.[3] Zelaya had attempted to schedule a non-binding poll on holding a referendum on convening a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution.
    How come all these innocent victims are always trying to rewrite the constitution to give themselves indefinite power?
    What will you be doing when the Roberts court tells people to just live without Medicare?

    There's a reason why so many Latin American leaders try to shake up their political system in this way. When a sham democracy has been captured by a handful of families who own all the wealth, it's hard to get really upset on behalf of a bunch of conservative judges who were always going to strike down any progress
    Nice false equivalence.

    Becoming el presidente for life is never the way to solve any of it. They should get better at grooming viable successors.
    Where is the false equivalence? There's at least one party and one class in this country that's busy pulling all the anti-majoritarian levers they can to grind everything to a halt.
    Maybe so, but when they propose changing the constitution to install president for life Trump, then sure. I am not someone who thinks the 22nd was a mistake.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    Those are pretty fucking small potatoes in comparison. You're comparing badly trained housecats with face-eating leopards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    Those are pretty fucking small potatoes in comparison. You're comparing badly trained housecats with face-eating leopards
    Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all

    Sorry for the 2edgy witcher quote but it fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    Those are pretty fucking small potatoes in comparison. You're comparing badly trained housecats with face-eating leopards
    Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all

    Sorry for the 2edgy witcher quote but it fit.
    Then lets stop beating around the bush, and vote for the greater evil.

    Chthulu 2020.

    No Lives Matter!
    meh

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    Not really on topic but I love that record, new one coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    Those are pretty fucking small potatoes in comparison. You're comparing badly trained housecats with face-eating leopards
    Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all

    Sorry for the 2edgy witcher quote but it fit.
    I am sure half a million dead from Iraq adventurism will agree that the degree is irrelevant.
    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
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    How many did Clinton and Obama start?
    US forces were deployed on combat missions in Libya and Syria by the Obama administration without a declaration of war.

    Honduras was overthrown in 2009 with the help of US intelligence.

    Here's all the countries that were bombed under the previous administration. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/p...bed/index.html

    This is not a partisan issue. Both parties want it to continue.
    Those are pretty fucking small potatoes in comparison. You're comparing badly trained housecats with face-eating leopards
    Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all

    Sorry for the 2edgy witcher quote but it fit.
    I am sure half a million dead from Iraq adventurism will agree that the degree is irrelevant.
    How many died as a result of Obamas enlightened intervention into Syria, the result of which was the creation of ISIS and the destruction of that nation?

    Oh, and there's no functioning government in Libya and migrants who are captured by the wrong factions are literally enslaved. Thanks to that adventure by Obama/Hillary.

    We came, we saw, he died! *cackles madly*

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    Dunno, but I think that ISIS was created by the power vacuum in Iraq, so can still be blamed on Bush.
    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    suddenly everyone is getting woke lmao
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Dunno, but I think that ISIS was created by the power vacuum in Iraq, so can still be blamed on Bush.
    You are not wrong but everything US did in Syria was to the detriment of "assad's regime". Otherwise it could be over by 2016.

    They are all not very nice dudes (assas, qaddafi, khomeini, even saddam) but they kept their population from breaking down to basic sand people.
    US pretends to care about their rights and liberty but all it really wants is control over oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    They are all not very nice dudes (assas, qaddafi, khomeini, even saddam) but they kept their population from breaking down to basic sand people
    Yes and without Putin, Russians would hurdle up in the Pinsk Marshes and brake down to basic swamp people. Feudalism is a good thing, without lords telling primitive underlings what to do we wouldn't have civilization.

    -Razor 2020

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    trying to be sarcastic
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    It just seems really weird that a justification of the assassination by liberal war hawks and supposed takedown of anyone who disagrees is that "he was a bad man with blood on his hands". Well no shit, he's a fucking general. That same description matches every general who has ever been involved with active deployment.

    I bet some of our generals are looking at the scenes of his funeral in jealousy.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Dunno, but I think that ISIS was created by the power vacuum in Iraq, so can still be blamed on Bush.
    The point was that regime change wars are enthusiastically supported by mainstream Democrats just as much as Republicans. The only candidate with a shot in the general who is against war for profit is Sanders. That, among other reasons, is why the DNC has been trying so hard to keep him from the nomination.

    Now, Trump said the same thing about stopping adventurism before he was elected too. However, hes a pathological liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    It just seems really weird that a justification of the assassination by liberal war hawks and supposed takedown of anyone who disagrees is that "he was a bad man with blood on his hands". Well no shit, he's a fucking general. That same description matches every general who has ever been involved with active deployment.

    I bet some of our generals are looking at the scenes of his funeral in jealousy.
    ‘Liberal war hawks’

    El oh el

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
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    It just seems really weird that a justification of the assassination by liberal war hawks and supposed takedown of anyone who disagrees is that "he was a bad man with blood on his hands". Well no shit, he's a fucking general. That same description matches every general who has ever been involved with active deployment.

    I bet some of our generals are looking at the scenes of his funeral in jealousy.
    ‘Liberal war hawks’

    El oh el
    He's referring to champions for peace like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    It just seems really weird that a justification of the assassination by liberal war hawks and supposed takedown of anyone who disagrees is that "he was a bad man with blood on his hands". Well no shit, he's a fucking general. That same description matches every general who has ever been involved with active deployment.

    I bet some of our generals are looking at the scenes of his funeral in jealousy.
    ‘Liberal war hawks’

    El oh el
    He's referring to champions for peace like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, etc.
    Not sure how being a liberal is relevant to their warhawkiness - are they inflicting equal marriage and gay rights on the ME through the medium of hellfire missiles? Does he really mean neoliberal?

    Is the term liberal completely meaningless in the US because both sides of the spectrum use to express thoughts about things they simply don’t like? Yep.

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    Don't play dumb Djan.

    You know as well as everyone else here, that in the US liberal means member of the Democratic Party. Hawks and Doves exist in both parties. So you can have liberal hawks and conservative doves. The latter being a very small minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Don't play dumb Djan.
    He ain't playing
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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