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    The working class white kid problem is more geographic than anything else. It was brought up in a public lecture I went to I think at LSE but I can't remember who by. Basically it's another story based on the managed decline of English towns and large inequalities in urban investment.

    That's not a very catchy narrative for the media to run with though, better to blame those chavs for wanting to be poor and stuck in collapsing housing estates.
    Unfortunately the trend holds up in inner London just as well:

    https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/rsu/sites...hools_2010.pdf
    Interesting. I think it must ultimately come down to class becoming more entrenched over time, being from a migrant family shows an element of inter generational aspiration due to the process of migration. They also receive very different cultural messaging and opportunities through close knit migrant communities whereas working class white communities have been degraded over time.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    The working class white kid problem is more geographic than anything else. It was brought up in a public lecture I went to I think at LSE but I can't remember who by. Basically it's another story based on the managed decline of English towns and large inequalities in urban investment.

    That's not a very catchy narrative for the media to run with though, better to blame those chavs for wanting to be poor and stuck in collapsing housing estates.
    Unfortunately the trend holds up in inner London just as well:

    https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/rsu/sites...hools_2010.pdf
    Interesting. I think it must ultimately come down to class becoming more entrenched over time, being from a migrant family shows an element of inter generational aspiration due to the process of migration. They also receive very different cultural messaging and opportunities through close knit migrant communities whereas working class white communities have been degraded over time.
    I think the salient point is inter-generational aspiration. Asian migrants tend to have concrete evidence of the value of education, either learned or appreciated because of the lack of provision in origin countries.

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    It's because they come from degenerate, backwards, developing cultures that still occasionally reward such things because they haven't fully advanced to entrenched oligarchies.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
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    The NHS is very good but it isn't special. The WHO ranks the NHS at about number 18 in the world for national healthcare systems effectiveness
    It was in the top 3 before the tories got in. Really makes you think.
    Source please.
    Here's a 2010 mirror, mirror from commonwealthfund. No idea what it's reputation is though. UK #1 (out of the countries in the study).

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...th-care-system

    tbh I can't remember where I heard the stat, it's just something from way back when.

    e: according to the same people UK is #1 in 2017 too so /shrug
    That's not a like for like study/comparison. ISTR a 2017 study which everyone baulked at. With regards to ease of access and whatnot the NHS is by far #1. I don't think we've ever been near the top 3 when it comes to outcomes for a long time, if ever. Moaning about the tories aside I'm pretty sure that real terms funding has increased most, if not all years since 2010. I'm not denying that 'healthcare' is more expensive now in terms of treatments and having an aging population... But any large organisation is going to develop a level of 'bloat' which outweighs economies of scale. I've no real issue with certain capabilities being augmented by small/medium firms in some circumstances.


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    It's been increased sure, but it's been increased less than required, and far less than previous governments have increased if you look at is as a % against pop growth/inflation. So yeah, there's more people, and less money per person.
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    It's been increased sure, but it's been increased less than required, and far less than previous governments have increased if you look at is as a % against pop growth/inflation. So yeah, there's more people, and less money per person.
    An ageing population also has greater healthcare needs which need to be provided by a younger population which is smaller demographically and represents a smaller tax base due to decades of effective wage stagnation and wealth hoarding by the old fatties who hog hospital beds.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
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    The NHS is very good but it isn't special. The WHO ranks the NHS at about number 18 in the world for national healthcare systems effectiveness
    It was in the top 3 before the tories got in. Really makes you think.
    Source please.
    Here's a 2010 mirror, mirror from commonwealthfund. No idea what it's reputation is though. UK #1 (out of the countries in the study).

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...th-care-system

    tbh I can't remember where I heard the stat, it's just something from way back when.

    e: according to the same people UK is #1 in 2017 too so /shrug
    That's not a like for like study/comparison. ISTR a 2017 study which everyone baulked at. With regards to ease of access and whatnot the NHS is by far #1. I don't think we've ever been near the top 3 when it comes to outcomes for a long time, if ever. Moaning about the tories aside I'm pretty sure that real terms funding has increased most, if not all years since 2010. I'm not denying that 'healthcare' is more expensive now in terms of treatments and having an aging population... But any large organisation is going to develop a level of 'bloat' which outweighs economies of scale. I've no real issue with certain capabilities being augmented by small/medium firms in some circumstances.
    Tory policies have also greatly increased the load on the NHS
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    DOJ investigating potential White House 'bribery-for-pardon' scheme: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...cheme-n1249609
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    Wait a corrupt inept casino owner is using a power left over from the Middle Ages in an immoral way?! Wow I am shocked.

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    So, for today's dose of misery. A whole thread of complete insanity, its a glorious rollercoaster of stupidity.

    Examples from the hearings in Michigan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So, for today's dose of misery. A whole thread of complete insanity, its a glorious rollercoaster of stupidity.

    Examples from the hearings in Michigan.

    iwanttobelieve.jpg

    But the user's bio says all their tweets are satire. Also, not a single link to audio so we can verify.
    "Holy shit, I ask you to stop being autistic and you debate what autistic is." - spasm
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    If you watched any of the testimony from the public against using face masks in public you'll hear much more idiocy tbh
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So, for today's dose of misery. A whole thread of complete insanity, its a glorious rollercoaster of stupidity.

    Examples from the hearings in Michigan.

    iwanttobelieve.jpg

    But the user's bio says all their tweets are satire. Also, not a single link to audio so we can verify.
    Reminder that we live in the post-satire age now. Reality is more ridiculous than anything we're currently able to just invent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    "Holy shit, I ask you to stop being autistic and you debate what autistic is." - spasm
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    and then they died, for the lifespan of a worker bee is 5 weeks.

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    Drones do fuck all and never have to clean their room.

    Sounds like the neckbeard dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boltorano View Post
    Drones do fuck all and never have to clean their room.

    Sounds like the neckbeard dream.
    The future you strive for...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
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    Drones do fuck all and never have to clean their room.

    Sounds like the neckbeard dream.
    The future you strive for...

    "Holy shit, I ask you to stop being autistic and you debate what autistic is." - spasm
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