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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If these anti american assholes can just up and cancel any environmental protections we have, we can fucking cancel the tea party.
    May as well cancel the Democrats as well, remove the bourgeois mask of acceptability and they are just as (probably more) culpable for the dystopian decline of America.
    I mean the mask is already off whenever they mock the progressive policies. Wanting a healthcare system that is not evil is apparently like wanting a new pony, or its the "green new whatever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    If these anti american assholes can just up and cancel any environmental protections we have, we can fucking cancel the tea party.
    May as well cancel the Democrats as well, remove the bourgeois mask of acceptability and they are just as (probably more) culpable for the dystopian decline of America.
    I'm ok with that. The real problem is working outside the two party system. Even Sanders had to work within that system. That's how much of lock R & D both have on it.
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    So ICE wants to build a “hyper-realistic urban warfare training center.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/ice-fails-r...cility-1458732

    Why might they need such a thing?

    And more news on putting homeless people in camps.

    https://www.newsweek.com/fox-host-sp...te-use-1458846

    And Trump is telling crowds he’ll never leave office:

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...073500061.html

    Just an ordinary Wednesday in the very healthy, very stable, not-at-all-fascist United States.

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    So ICE wants to build a “hyper-realistic urban warfare training center.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/ice-fails-r...cility-1458732

    Why might they need such a thing?

    And more news on putting homeless people in camps.

    https://www.newsweek.com/fox-host-sp...te-use-1458846

    And Trump is telling crowds he’ll never leave office:

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...073500061.html

    Just an ordinary Wednesday in the very healthy, very stable, not-at-all-fascist United States.

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    It's been a very normal two decades of dumping weapons and training on the police to be the best possible enforcers

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    We have overproduction of weapons TBH and no real recycling program. When guns are expensive machines nobody really wants to turn them into scrap metal I suppose, but there's something about arming police with surplus hardware that just strikes me as both unnecessary and wasteful.

    Giving cops surplus has been going on since post-9/11, that's nothing new. ICE facilities and expanding their budget and power has been going on since 2008. None of this is surprising. What is surprising is the amount of discretionary spending ICE has received. They got $7 billion this year in discretionary spending on top of the few billion for mandated expenses. We'll see where the money all goes but it looks like that $7 billion discretionary funding was for expanding detention operations, but not for hiring new personnel, so I'm expecting outside contract work to get hired and palms to get greased with that money.

    There's at least some new oversight put in place and more transparency so we should see more reports of bad things happening at ICE facilities, which despite looking bad means the oversight is working. Pouring through financial reports is pretty damn boring, but Bipartisan Policy relieves some of the drudgery if you don't want to do the autistic nerd levels of research.

    TLDR $7 billion in potential bribe money bad, transparency good.

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    House Judiciary Committee approves Impeachment Investigation this morning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    House Judiciary Committee approves Impeachment Investigation this morning.
    What? Really? On what grounds specifically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    House Judiciary Committee approves Impeachment Investigation this morning.
    What? Really? On what grounds specifically?

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    (CNN)The House Judiciary Committee on Thursday approved a resolution defining the rules of the panel's impeachment investigation, the first vote the committee has taken related to the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/polit...tee/index.html

    "This Committee is engaged in an investigation that will allow us to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment with respect to President Trump. Some call this process an impeachment inquiry. Some call it an impeachment investigation. There is no legal difference between these terms, and I no longer care to argue about the nomenclature," the New York Democrat said. "But let me clear up any remaining doubt: The conduct under investigation poses a threat to our democracy. We have an obligation to respond to this threat. And we are doing so."


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    Predictions on what this will do to Trump's approval rating?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ma-2020-228068

    Despite attempts to gloss over past disputes by focusing on areas of mutual agreement, such as the CFPB, simmering bitterness remains between Warren and large swathes of Obama administration veterans. In interviews, many former White House and Treasury officials say they consider Warren a self-serving grandstander who cast them as villains while they were trying to save the global economy from catastrophe—a job they think they did pretty well, all things considered.
    Geithner, who declined to comment for this story, wrote in his memoir Stress Test that he felt Warren “was better at impugning our choices—as well as our integrity and our competence—than identifying feasible alternatives.” He added, "Her criticisms of the financial rescue, if well-intentioned, were mostly unjustified.”

    Other Obama administration officials call her a “professional critic,” “sanctimonious,” and a “condescending narcissist.” One former Treasury aide puts it this way: “We’re with Barack. We’re the liberals. Why are you pissing in our face?”
    In case people are still wondering why everyone hates the Democratic party.

    Just the largest amount of whining and wailing for what was some very polite criticism at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Predictions on what this will do to Trump's approval rating?
    I’ll give you a fairly safe fiver that he blows up his twit account doing the modern equivalent of waving a sock puppet and shouting “look at the monkey”.

    I wonder who we are going to threaten with invasion this time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Predictions on what this will do to Trump's approval rating?
    up.

    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Predictions on what this will do to Trump's approval rating?
    I’ll give you a fairly safe fiver that he blows up his twit account doing the modern equivalent of waving a sock puppet and shouting “look at the monkey”.

    I wonder who we are going to threaten with invasion this time...
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ma-2020-228068

    Despite attempts to gloss over past disputes by focusing on areas of mutual agreement, such as the CFPB, simmering bitterness remains between Warren and large swathes of Obama administration veterans. In interviews, many former White House and Treasury officials say they consider Warren a self-serving grandstander who cast them as villains while they were trying to save the global economy from catastrophe—a job they think they did pretty well, all things considered.
    Geithner, who declined to comment for this story, wrote in his memoir Stress Test that he felt Warren “was better at impugning our choices—as well as our integrity and our competence—than identifying feasible alternatives.” He added, "Her criticisms of the financial rescue, if well-intentioned, were mostly unjustified.”

    Other Obama administration officials call her a “professional critic,” “sanctimonious,” and a “condescending narcissist.” One former Treasury aide puts it this way: “We’re with Barack. We’re the liberals. Why are you pissing in our face?”
    In case people are still wondering why everyone hates the Democratic party.

    Just the largest amount of whining and wailing for what was some very polite criticism at the time.
    Warren is less liberal than Obama. No surprise that they don’t like her.

    And also, this is exactly what folks said about FDR, so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Predictions on what this will do to Trump's approval rating?
    Given how long the word and idea of "Impeachment" has been out there with nothing really happening, and the mealy-mouthed uncertainty of Dems, probably not much.

    The 38% who like and approve of him will still like him.

    The 60%+ who don't.....won't.

    The Dems have decided this "committee says it's impeachment while leadership says it's not" thing is their best course to thread the electoral needle right now. Sounds mad to me, but /shrug.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    I think we might be able to get the NRA to use russian money to arm the homeless so they can defend themselves against unconstitutional actions.
    meh

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    Officials who spoke to the Post claim internment isn’t on their agenda. “We’re not rounding people up or anything yet. You guys in the media get too ahead of yourselves.”
    That's very reassuring

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    Time to start reminding everyone of the Nuremburg principles, I guess.

    The next D administration should not be weak like Obama was with the Republican war criminals in the Bush regime, who should have seen solitary in a federal pen for a long time.

    I expect every one of these out of control DHS employees to be prosecuted for the crimes against individual constitutional rights they have, will or are currently perpetrating.

    Defunding the DHS and dismantling this hoax of a welfare program is needed too.
    meh

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    No. 2, make sure that we bring in to the help with the stud—the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home, we need… We have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are required—I’m married to a teacher. My deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them.

    Make sure that every single child does, in fact, have three, four, and five-year-olds go to school. School! Not day care, school. We bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help. They don’t know what— They don’t know what quite what to do. Play the radio. Make sure the television—excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night. The phone—make sure the kids hear words. A kid coming from a very poor school—er, a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time they get there.

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