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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Somehow, amazingly, it doesn't make capitalism great.
    Which is why nobody has said that.

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    Not sarcasm. It seems Venec's problems are more due to Poland's historical conditions such as the USSR occupation rather than to capitalism. If you look at the specific details of his wishlist, you can already get that in any Western country.
    People tried explaining to him that his country is a shithole because of the people that run the system rather then the system a bunch of pages ago but it didnt click.
    And yet non of those things he asked for require the existence of a billionaire oligarchic class or the structures which specifically enable them to exploit society.
    Correct but those people aren't going to dissappear if capitalism is suddenly replaced as they dont give a shit what system they have to exploit. If your country is a shithole under capitalism its probably not because of capitalism its because its being turned into/kept a shithols by terrible people, switching to a different -ism won't fix that.



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    Again, it isn't about changing -isms, its about changing the structures which enable wealth to be accumulated. You change the legal frameworks around company ownership and board membership, you change the tax status of the BVI, you update the tax code, you change property law, you change banking regulations, you change stock market regulation. The structures which already exist in society can be appropriated to do things other than just funnel wealth upwards.

    We saw elements of this in the Labour party manifesto in the last election, why do you think Corbyn and McDonnell were so heavily demonised by the press? They had a roadmap to 21st Century wealth and power redistribution and democratisation and it scared the shit out of the economic establishment.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Somehow, amazingly, it doesn't make capitalism great.
    Which is why nobody has said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Not sarcasm. It seems Venec's problems are more due to Poland's historical conditions such as the USSR occupation rather than to capitalism. If you look at the specific details of his wishlist, you can already get that in any Western country.
    People tried explaining to him that his country is a shithole because of the people that run the system rather then the system a bunch of pages ago but it didnt click.
    And yet non of those things he asked for require the existence of a billionaire oligarchic class or the structures which specifically enable them to exploit society.
    Correct but those people aren't going to dissappear if capitalism is suddenly replaced as they dont give a shit what system they have to exploit. If your country is a shithole under capitalism its probably not because of capitalism its because its being turned into/kept a shithols by terrible people, switching to a different -ism won't fix that.
    Except those asshole people wouldn't have the wealth and means to exploit working people because it would have been taken away from them if we've changed to that red, pesky ism or whatever you'd want to call it.

    And I think I've already wrote once or twice how during transformation America pressured Solidarity to pass all the reforms they wanted, unless they would cash in on those money CIA has lent it over the decade or two. Those reforms turned Poland into a corporate colony, more or less. Since then every goverment is backpedalling on those actual good social reforms done under communism, communal housing is gone completely (3% of built apartments go into it, while 75% of polish families can't afford taking out a mortage, in cities apartment rents are close to what minimal pay is, while renting out a room takes around 50% of it) healthcare is failing (and lately the main opposition party wants to privatise it, and cites US as an example LMAO), worker rights are being taken away, it's piss hard to organize a strike and unions are very weak, minimal pay is stagnating etc etc

    I'm writing the essay again.

    inb4 US capitalism isn't the real capitalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Somehow, amazingly, it doesn't make capitalism great.
    Which is why nobody has said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Not sarcasm. It seems Venec's problems are more due to Poland's historical conditions such as the USSR occupation rather than to capitalism. If you look at the specific details of his wishlist, you can already get that in any Western country.
    People tried explaining to him that his country is a shithole because of the people that run the system rather then the system a bunch of pages ago but it didnt click.
    And yet non of those things he asked for require the existence of a billionaire oligarchic class or the structures which specifically enable them to exploit society.
    Correct but those people aren't going to dissappear if capitalism is suddenly replaced as they dont give a shit what system they have to exploit. If your country is a shithole under capitalism its probably not because of capitalism its because its being turned into/kept a shithols by terrible people, switching to a different -ism won't fix that.
    Except those asshole people wouldn't have the wealth and means to exploit working people because it would have been taken away from them if we've changed to that red, pesky ism or whatever you'd want to call it.
    Do you own timemachine? Because if not it doesnt matter what past change could have accomplished. These people are already rich and they already have all the power, replacing capitalism with something else wont make that go away and you'll just end up with the same people in charge.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Somehow, amazingly, it doesn't make capitalism great.
    Which is why nobody has said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Not sarcasm. It seems Venec's problems are more due to Poland's historical conditions such as the USSR occupation rather than to capitalism. If you look at the specific details of his wishlist, you can already get that in any Western country.
    People tried explaining to him that his country is a shithole because of the people that run the system rather then the system a bunch of pages ago but it didnt click.
    And yet non of those things he asked for require the existence of a billionaire oligarchic class or the structures which specifically enable them to exploit society.
    Correct but those people aren't going to dissappear if capitalism is suddenly replaced as they dont give a shit what system they have to exploit. If your country is a shithole under capitalism its probably not because of capitalism its because its being turned into/kept a shithols by terrible people, switching to a different -ism won't fix that.
    Except those asshole people wouldn't have the wealth and means to exploit working people because it would have been taken away from them if we've changed to that red, pesky ism or whatever you'd want to call it.

    And I think I've already wrote once or twice how during transformation America pressured Solidarity to pass all the reforms they wanted, unless they would cash in on those money CIA has lent it over the decade or two. Those reforms turned Poland into a corporate colony, more or less. Since then every goverment is backpedalling on those actual good social reforms done under communism, communal housing is gone completely (3% of built apartments go into it, while 75% of polish families can't afford taking out a mortage, in cities apartment rents are close to what minimal pay is, while renting out a room takes around 50% of it) healthcare is failing (and lately the main opposition party wants to privatise it, and cites US as an example LMAO), worker rights are being taken away, it's piss hard to organize a strike and unions are very weak, minimal pay is stagnating etc etc

    I'm writing the essay again.

    inb4 US capitalism isn't the real capitalism
    Lol at minimal pay is stagnating, why do you think we're competing with Hungary for the top inflation of entire EU? Although thanks for proving again that understanding of basics of economy beyond 'capitalism bad, reeee' is not something that most communist proponents can be accused of.

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    Ignore my post about the pretty obvious things and straight forward things we can do to redistribute economic control and instead make an unrelated post about minimum wage and inflation lmao

    hint: cost of living inflationary pressure doesn't come from money supply to the bottom end of the income distribution.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Ignore my post about the pretty obvious things and straight forward things we can do to redistribute economic control and instead make an unrelated post about minimum wage and inflation lmao

    hint: cost of living inflationary pressure doesn't come from money supply to the bottom end of the income distribution.
    Am I responding to you or refering to you in any way in my post? This is polish economy thread now, thanks Venec. And those bad, bad capitalist reforms Poland had in 90s (that are in fact being backpeddaled on now thanks to our almost communist current government) are the only reason we're not in the same league as Ukraine and Belarus competing for potato.

    tl;dr government is doing exactly what Venec wants as far as economy and social side of things is concerned (and fails at it more often than not due to sheer incompetence) but because of added nationalism and lgbt hate (and a whole lot of stupidity and kleptocracy) he gets cognitive dissonance and can't process reality properly. Results are as expected...
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    A lot of people in this thread who think human nature is such that the comrades who freed you from the exploiters wouldn't become the next people exploiting you overnight.

    y'all high, because that is exactly what will happen.
    meh

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    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests
    “Individuals or brains that struggle to process and plan complex action sequences may be more drawn to extreme ideologies, or authoritarian ideologies that simplify the world,” she said.
    lol, great self own.
    You're getting good at this
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Lol capitalism gud, ur idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests
    “Individuals or brains that struggle to process and plan complex action sequences may be more drawn to extreme ideologies, or authoritarian ideologies that simplify the world,” she said.
    lol, great self own.
    You're getting good at this
    Whoooosh

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests
    “Individuals or brains that struggle to process and plan complex action sequences may be more drawn to extreme ideologies, or authoritarian ideologies that simplify the world,” she said.
    lol, great self own.
    You're getting good at this
    m0deRatE LiBs AnD sOcIaL DeMs aRe tHe TrUe ExtRemISt AuThorItAriAns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests
    “Individuals or brains that struggle to process and plan complex action sequences may be more drawn to extreme ideologies, or authoritarian ideologies that simplify the world,” she said.
    lol, great self own.
    You're getting good at this
    m0deRatE LiBs AnD sOcIaL DeMs aRe tHe TrUe ExtRemISt AuThorItAriAns
    yes.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Not what I said, but also yes. Kind of.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Has this been posted? No surprises here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...earch-suggests
    “Individuals or brains that struggle to process and plan complex action sequences may be more drawn to extreme ideologies, or authoritarian ideologies that simplify the world,” she said.
    lol, great self own.
    You're getting good at this
    m0deRatE LiBs AnD sOcIaL DeMs aRe tHe TrUe ExtRemISt AuThorItAriAns
    Well, Market liberals are fascists. Haven't you heard?

    And some people will say anything to avoid introspection and self-reflection as to why no one wants to be in their economic suicide cult.
    meh

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    Market liberals just believe in the authority of money. They are ideologically empty and political non-entities.

    Bar stool sports followers are the quintessential market liberals, they have no politics apart from a vague distrust of government authority and an entirely self centred sense of justice.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Loving all the extremists of the forum launching in with their black and white opinions lacking all nuance, completely proving the findings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    They are ideologically empty and political non-entities.
    Much like committed Marxists.
    meh

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