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    Look at all these problems which affect nobody we are solving!
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Solutions in search of a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    Has been available and used for years. I've been part designing a couple solutions for that. Now, at the time it wasnt as much facial stuff it was more heat mapping but I know at least one that "upgraded" to look at faces to decide if they were happy or not, looking at a specific section or not (special offers for example) and so on.
    :thisisfine.jpg:
    If it was to stay at that level, yeah no real issue. Its not identifying people, its looking at patterns and behavior. Now, this is (was) the slippery slope and here we are, 1984. And I am not on board with that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.
    Invest billions in invasive recognition technologies to avoid paying prison workers enough to care about their jobs!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
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    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.
    Invest billions in invasive recognition technologies to avoid paying prison workers enough to care about their jobs!!!!!

    Software dont complain or make demands....

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    You haven't been using some of the software that I do. . .
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    He was doing pretty well until that last bit.

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    Makes sense; if you just finish ruining all of America then the Mexicans won't want to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    Makes sense; if you just finish ruining all of America then the Mexicans won't want to come.
    Now I'm thinking of that one South Park episode where Butters becomes the Mexican Messiah
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    Makes sense; if you just finish ruining all of America then the Mexicans won't want to come.
    This seems to be the british strategy for reducing immigration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    Makes sense; if you just finish ruining all of America then the Mexicans won't want to come.
    The statistics might indicate this has already started happening...
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    How shockingly unsurprising that elmicker is in love with shit like this.
    Learn to read you fucking simpleton.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.
    One would hope so, but like the border that is not the case. If you've got well trained/educated people, then you're better off deploying those people into the things they'll be even better at. In this case, looking after the wellbeing and rehabilitation of prisoners. Likewise, on the border people are better engaged in the prevention of complex crime than they are staring at a succession of blurry passport photos for 55 minute stints.

    This is why saying "THIS TECHNOLOGY IS EVIL" is, as said, fucking dumb. You might not like it, but in this specific context it is useful and is no more a violation of anyone's rights or privacy than taking a fingerprint. But it is faster, cheaper, better, less intrusive and harder to fool. Bernie's response, and he does this fairly frequently, is an appeal to emotion. It has little basis in fact or reality and does nothing to tackle the real problems (i.e. commercial misuse and broadband usage in public spaces).

    That's not to say Warren's attitude is any better - she's just engaging in buzzword bingo. One could have as perfectly a moral, fair and benevolent algorithm as you could possibly imagine and it wouldn't make the digital equivalent of fingerprinting everyone coming in and out of Leicester Square any more legitimate.
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    Okay, THIS TECHNOLOGY ENABLES EVIL. Is that better?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    The man who founded the neo-Nazi “accelerationist” group, which seeks to hasten civilizational collapse, fight a race war and establish a white ethnostate, goes by the names “Norman Spear” and “Roman Wolf” online.

    The Guardian first reported Thursday that “Norman Spear” is Rinaldo Nazzaro, a 46-year-old New Jersey-born man. The BBC subsequently confirmed that reporting with its own. He was reportedly married to a Russian-born woman in Manhattan in 2012 and is currently living in Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Okay, THIS TECHNOLOGY ENABLES EVIL. Is that better?
    Closer, but name me a technology that doesn't

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    The president’s lawyers are set to begin their opening arguments Saturday. It’s the first time the White House will publicly present its full case to acquit the president. While it’s essentially guaranteed that the GOP-controlled Senate will not remove Trump from office, his legal defense presents the best public opportunity to win over the handful of Republican senators who could prolong the trial by joining Democrats in their calls for witnesses and documents.

    "The president’s team ... has never presented its case since it did not do so in the House,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a key swing vote. “Unlike the House managers, who partially presented when the motions were being debated, the president’s attorneys chose not to do that. It’s not finished yet ... so it’s difficult to judge."

    Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) said he hopes Trump’s team will present a "fact-based" defense that counters the Democrats' case.

    “I assume at some point they're going to feature [Alan] Dershowitz and Ken Starr, people like that and talk about impeachment in the broader context of what that threshold is,” he said.

    Trump’s lawyer Jay Sekulow told reporters Thursday that the White House will argue the president’s actions do not warrant removal from office by presenting “multiple schools of thought on what is and is not an impeachable offense.” Those presentations, Sekulow said, will demonstrate “the actions alleged and the actions of the president do not reach that level no matter which school of thought you’re on.”
    no matter which school of thought you’re on
    o rly?

    Multiple surveys of U.S. public opinion found that the clear majority of Americans rejected the idea of impeaching Obama, while a majority of Republicans were in favor; for example, CNN found in July 2014 that 57% of Republicans supported these efforts while about two thirds of adult Americans in general disagreed with them.
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    So i heard Trump said none was hurt in the Iranian missile strike, in a "shocking" turn of events it is disclosed as not entirely correct.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...njury-pentagon
    Thirty-four US soldiers have been diagnosed with concussion or traumatic brain injury from an 8 January Iranian missile attack on their base in Iraq, the Pentagon has revealed.
    Michael Kaplen, the chair of the New York State Traumatic Brain Injury Services Coordinating Council and past president of the Brain Injury Association of New York State said that he was “shocked at the ignorant statement” made by Trump.

    “To equate traumatic brain injuries as just a headache is insulting and disrespectful to the thousands of military service members suffering from the signature wound of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict,” he said.

    He added that the condition, also known as TBI, is a “life-altering” injury.

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