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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    One thing ive noticed in the past few days is that the Senate impeachment trial is flying under the radar. It should be the most important frontpage news, but instead i see either zero or full about Trumps shitty lawyers or which senator is there paying attention and which is napping.

    Internet cynicism or media blackout? That happens when one side screams "fake news nothingburger" and the other "sham trial party line acquittal is foregone conclusion"... it doesnt seem to be taken seriously, and that is almost worse for the institutions.
    What you on about? BBC/CNN/EURONEWS and Dutch news is all over it. What do you watch if you think that?
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    I think the Fox News coverage has been light?
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    About the facial recognition at the border question.

    The last time I entered the US (as a tourist) was in 2010. They took a photo and fingerprints. The same was done in 2005.

    I always assumed they ran facial recognition as to leave the US, you only had to scan your passport and look into a camera (I think it may have asked for a fingerprint, I'm not sure).

    The UK uses a similar systems for EU citizens, just hold up your ID to a scanner and have a picture taken of you.

    That ship sailed a long ass time ago.

    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    I'd not even be remotely surprised if Amazon starts to offer that technology to all brick and mortar stores along with a data link to their online store.

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    In my passport picture I'm 17 and clean shaven, ever since I've had a beard the electronic passport gates don't work so I'm pretty sure they don't have a store of previous images to compare. I think they just match face shape and the position of your features in a straight comparison between the camera and your passport image. Or they just use really shit tech for the recognition. Or I'm untrackable for some reason.


    Facial recognition software is incredibly dangerous, it doesn't matter who is using it since none of law enforcement, government or corporations are accountable to the public or act often enough in the public good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    Has been available and used for years. I've been part designing a couple solutions for that. Now, at the time it wasnt as much facial stuff it was more heat mapping but I know at least one that "upgraded" to look at faces to decide if they were happy or not, looking at a specific section or not (special offers for example) and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    Has been available and used for years. I've been part designing a couple solutions for that. Now, at the time it wasnt as much facial stuff it was more heat mapping but I know at least one that "upgraded" to look at faces to decide if they were happy or not, looking at a specific section or not (special offers for example) and so on.
    Yeah like there's nothing inherently wrong with all that, just morbid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    Has been available and used for years. I've been part designing a couple solutions for that. Now, at the time it wasnt as much facial stuff it was more heat mapping but I know at least one that "upgraded" to look at faces to decide if they were happy or not, looking at a specific section or not (special offers for example) and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    Last edited by Hel OWeen; January 23 2020 at 11:15:59 AM.

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    You can also reduce the amount of goods smuggled into prison by reducing the number of prisoners and addressing the material conditions that increase criminality.

    I don't think you'll get much VC money for that though.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    How shockingly unsurprising that elmicker is in love with shit like this.

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    Look at all these problems which affect nobody we are solving!
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Solutions in search of a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    As others mentioned, commercial facial recognition use is the issue. Shops will identify you and your shopping behavior using that tech. If they aren't already. I know they use their wifi users and Bluetooth signals to track shoppers around their stores.
    Has been available and used for years. I've been part designing a couple solutions for that. Now, at the time it wasnt as much facial stuff it was more heat mapping but I know at least one that "upgraded" to look at faces to decide if they were happy or not, looking at a specific section or not (special offers for example) and so on.
    :thisisfine.jpg:
    If it was to stay at that level, yeah no real issue. Its not identifying people, its looking at patterns and behavior. Now, this is (was) the slippery slope and here we are, 1984. And I am not on board with that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.
    Invest billions in invasive recognition technologies to avoid paying prison workers enough to care about their jobs!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    a blanket ban of facial recog for official purposes is daft. it's one of the only ways to, for example, effectively prevent smuggling in prisons [...]
    Can you elaborate on that? I have a hard time imagining how that's achieved.

    I would imagine that thorough inspections of incoming deliveries and people does do a better job at that.
    a big chunk of smuggling is done by visitors on fake or stolen IDs doing it on an industrial scale. biometrics are the most effective way to combat that. facial recognition is the cheapest and least intrusive way to do that.

    this is also effectively the same use case as we've got with e-Borders in the UK, where it's been in place for years.
    Ah, OK, that makes sense.

    I give you the non-intrusive part, but overall I am still not a big fan of it. Seems like (well trained/educated) wetware would do a better job.
    Invest billions in invasive recognition technologies to avoid paying prison workers enough to care about their jobs!!!!!

    Software dont complain or make demands....

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    You haven't been using some of the software that I do. . .
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