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    How many countries actually prevent prisoners from voting? I know that we allow our prisoners to vote.

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    https://felonvoting.procon.org/inter...n-voting-laws/

    28/45. But only 4/45 ban voting once released.

    I honestly have no issue with disenfranchising people in jail. Jail is a system for stripping rights from people as, in part, punishment for transgressions. I do have an issue with permanently stripping the right once time has been served.
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    Yeah if you're going to start addressing the right to vote for prisoners you might as well start a whole conversation on the role of the prison system in society and the ethics of the state withholding rights in general based on criminal activity.

    I do think prisoners should be able to vote but there are bigger problems to address with prisoner's rights first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Yeah if you're going to start addressing the right to vote for prisoners you might as well start a whole conversation on the role of the prison system in society and the ethics of the state withholding rights in general based on criminal activity.

    I do think prisoners should be able to vote but there are bigger problems to address with prisoner's rights first.
    Basically what I was going to say, put much better. >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlona Sky View Post
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    If you’re healthy enough to go riot and burn down your neighborhood, you can go stand in line to vote.
    Who do you vote for to have police held accountable for cold blooded murder?
    If you're serious, a new mayor. They appoint the chief of police who of course dictates how the department runs. Minnesota has a Democrat governor, the city of Minneapolis, has a Democrat mayor, who of course appointed a Democrat chief of police.

    You seeing a pattern yet?

    And if you really want to make sure this shit don’t happen, you make sure the citizens are just as armed as the government. That piece of shit cop would not have murdered that man if people were armed.
    yeah, the problem with that is one is protected by law for shooting an armed man, the other one isn't. A lot depends on who has the badge/uniform. Don't make me post that Monty Python clip again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    How many countries actually prevent prisoners from voting? I know that we allow our prisoners to vote.
    We ban for two to five years those convicted of treason, high treason, voter suppression and election fraud from voting.

    If you're convicted to jail for a year or longer, you can't be electedfor five years.

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    How sensible.

    In any event, from a realpolitik perspective, it will be curious to see how felons’ restored right to vote in Florida will impact the presidential election; Florida is a key state, but will these folks vote? And if so, how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlona Sky View Post
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    If you’re healthy enough to go riot and burn down your neighborhood, you can go stand in line to vote.
    Who do you vote for to have police held accountable for cold blooded murder?
    If you're serious, a new mayor. They appoint the chief of police who of course dictates how the department runs. Minnesota has a Democrat governor, the city of Minneapolis, has a Democrat mayor, who of course appointed a Democrat chief of police.

    You seeing a pattern yet?

    And if you really want to make sure this shit don’t happen, you make sure the citizens are just as armed as the government. That piece of shit cop would not have murdered that man if people were armed.
    Or maybe all the Klan Klub PDs around the country need to burned to the ground with the racist bacon inside and built back up from non racist, competent, professional people instead of a bunch of psychotic bouncer cunts with badges and a license to kill black people with no repercussions.

    I do agree with you about arming though. I think we really need to get a chartiy going that arms minority communities in the south in this country.

    We can call it AR-15s against racism.

    Weapons and squad level training for minorities everywhere in the US.
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    Colorado sends out mail in ballots to all registered voters, been that way a few years. Seems fine.

    All public health orders have been from the governor or local authorities, the legislature wasn't even in session until recently.

    I'll note that when the state legislature reopened with social distancing in place, only half the Republicans wore masks (and a couple days later, the building got shot at during protests).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Colorado sends out mail in ballots to all registered voters, been that way a few years. Seems fine.

    All public health orders have been from the governor or local authorities, the legislature wasn't even in session until recently.

    I'll note that when the state legislature reopened with social distancing in place, only half the Republicans wore masks (and a couple days later, the building got shot at during protests).
    This is fine.
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    My question for states that send out 'mail in ballots':

    My county in my state (Kansas) sent out applications for mail in ballots, but that is not quite the same as sending out ballots.
    Those that are commenting about their experiences, are your states sending out actual ballots with return envelopes/etc? Are there laws about signatures/etc? (Kansas requires a signature on file to match to the mail in ballot when the canvas occurs).

    There was a huge blowback online when the county announced it was sending out applications (similar to how the commander in chief has been acting) and most reasonable people that joined the conversation understood the difference between an application and an actual ballot. I'm just glad I don't live a state over in Missouri where they have neither advanced voting nor convenient mail in ballots.

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    In Colorado it is actual ballots. There are public drop off boxes in front of rec centers, libraries, and post offices, that sort of thing. Not sure if they come with return postage, because I always drop it off in a box to be sure.
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    In fact my mail in ballot booklet (not the ballot itself) has a proof of address thing on it I have to bring with me if I do actually want to go to the County Registrar, or my local library, for about 2 weeks prior to Election Day, or at my local voting place, which is a nice pleasant walk about 2 blocks to a local community hall where I can cast my ballot, either by using the one mailed to me, or taking a fresh one, should I so choose, and returning it. I can then take the bar code on my ballot and track, online, exactly what my vote was record as, through the receipt I can take (If I want) from the ballot. I could also just post it in, if I wanted to, anytime after I get it, up to post marked day of.

    This is how my county makes it increasingly easy to vote. Maybe this is why republicans can only win less than 20% of the vote here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Yeah if you're going to start addressing the right to vote for prisoners you might as well start a whole conversation on the role of the prison system in society and the ethics of the state withholding rights in general based on criminal activity.

    I do think prisoners should be able to vote but there are bigger problems to address with prisoner's rights first.
    Yeah, too many still see prisons as mostly just cruel punishment regimes that is supposed to be really really unpleasant, and feel like ex-cons shouldn't have any way of integrating back to society. Does wonders on that rate of re-offenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    does that mean i get a "you're now on the watchlist" letter ?

    because i want to frame it and hang it up if i do.
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    it would be lol if it the whole story wasn't tragic
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    Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began

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