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    well that film was boring, though I generally dont like super hero films.It just dragged on and on. Almost as bad as the first one, well for me anyway.
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    Saw it last night, here's my opinion which i'm sure you are all dying to hear.

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    So it's really long at 2h44m, and it definitely does feel it, especially in the middle section. The last reel is where it really gets going but by then you're like fuck, I have a bladder the size of a football, I have a headache and i'm exhausted because i've already watched the movie for 2 hours before we even get to the end reel. The pace just really drops in the middle section, not that there aren't some good scenes, but still.

    So I didn't like how it was eight years later and basically everyone from the last movies is tired and depressed. Gordon gets shot and spends half the film sitting in a hospital bed, though JGL as Blake does a fine job at taking over his role as detective. Meanwhile Alfred spends basically the whole film crying to Bruce about how he won't bury him. I'm not even joking, I think he starts crying in every scene he's in. I don't know what happened to the dependable guy we saw before, I guess even he had enough, but it was a really weird dynamic for me.
    And Bruce starts off the movie as a Howard Hughes type recluse, and then shaves his beard and puts on a mechanical leg brace thing and he's basically back to normal. Also when Bane breaks his back and puts him in the prison, how in the fuck is he able to walk again? Apparently you can fix a broken back by doing a few pushups, who knew?

    So as for what I did like, I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Blake. He does a really good job, he's enthusiastic (a "hothead") and interesting as a character, and we spend a lot of time with him. They spend a lot of time setting up the whole 'next guy to take on the mantle' thing, and his first name which he doesn't use is revealed to be Robin. I think he would make a great Robin for what it's worth, although as this is the last in this series we probably won't see him. Even though I would like to see him try that role, i'm happy enough with it being heavily hinted at rather than explicitly shown.

    Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was good, she looks good in the suit and she says and does all the right stuff... She just wasn't amazing as her, there was something missing. She didn't totally embody the role for my money, the casting was a little off. She just doesn't quite have that sense of danger oozing from every pore like she should. She also could have put in a bit more work at the gym, she was slim and lean rather than toned and aggressive. Again, she was good but not stellar.

    So Bane. Bane is a bit of an issue with the movie, not least because of the stupid voice-muffling face mask. Seriously, how many characters in these damn movies have ridiculous voices? Anyway, I think he was...good, but he's just not that interesting. He's intimidating for sure, and brutal yet calculating. All that is good, but he just isn't as interesting a character as someone like the Joker. Obviously it doesn't help that most of his face is covered in the mask, he has to do his acting through stage presence and kind of exaggerated eye and eyebrow movements. He just doesn't have that much of an arc, though they tried to do some stuff with his backstory through flashbacks etc. I liked when his mask got damaged and he lost his cool, started frantically wrecking shit, trying to get at Batman before he ran out of magic gas or whatever. I wish they would have actually explained what the deal was with that, it's never even mentioned.

    As for his plan, it is not as scary or exciting as Joker's in TDK. Joker is like "come nightfall, the city is mine". Bane is like "so we've got this nuke that will go off... in five months". It's not as immediate obviously, and that definitely reduces it's impact. Joker is wrecking shit up, starts blowing up hospitals, judges, Harvey and Rachel etc.. You don't know where to turn. I feel like Joker's methods of chaos and inciting panic among the populace, the city turning on itself in a mad scramble was way more exciting and tense than what happens here, where Bane comes in with an army of prisoners, and basically occupies the city for five months. They ransack the city, and it's like scenes from WW2 Stalingrad or something, but by definition it isn't as exciting. Sure I guess Bane wants the city to feel hope before he crushes it or something, but it doesn't work for me.

    So you've got the comparison with the previous film, as it being the most like it in terms of a big crazy villain and 'epic' shit going on, but the film also hearkens back a lot to Batman Begins. I guess that was a decision to kind of bring it all back around, to a kind of circular theme, make it feel like a bookended series. But the thing is that it involves a lot of plot and backstory and flashbacks etc that i'm not really sure were needed. Did we really need to have Bruce climb out of a big hole in the ground again? And all the revelations about Talia Al Ghul etc, and Bane finshing off what Ra's Al Ghul started, were kind of... I don't know, it was interesting but it sure took up a lot of running time. Kind of saps the energy of the film.

    I don't know, it's a good movie but it's quite burdened by it's own storytelling weight, the need to wrap everything up and link it back to the first film, and the slow middle. It sounds like i'm being really negative, it is a good movie, it's just not great. It's very dark and heavy, but doesn't pull off the danger and excitement as well as The Dark Knight did.

    I also have a couple of nitpicks, like what happened to Bane? He gets blasted by Catwoman on the Batpod and then they don't even show whether he's dead or what. And the scene where Lucius Fox finds out that the autopilot on the Bat was functional. Was that necessary? Batman sacrificing himself for the city because there's no other way is heroic. But doing it because you're emo and want to kill yourself is pretty stupid imo.

    In conclusion,

    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
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    Batman Forever was on last night and watching that got me wondering if in a decade or two the Nolan Batmans will seem as bad as those ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me View Post
    Batman Forever was on last night and watching that got me wondering if in a decade or two the Nolan Batmans will seem as bad as those ones.
    I was more hoping this.


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    The film length had me worried too. Not been to see it yet, probably wont be able to for a couple of weeks, as long as they don't withdraw the film to replace all the guns with walkie talkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
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    Never let a disaster go to waste.
    As a CWP holder I think I can safely say this: GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY GODDAMNED BATMAN THREAD.

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    As far as needing more muscle on Robin, why? Robin wasn't a very muscular character, so I don't think he needs any more muscle.

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    i really enjoyed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by valks View Post
    well that film was boring, though I generally dont like super hero films.It just dragged on and on. Almost as bad as the first one, well for me anyway.
    I've always been curious, are people like you just bitches to peer pressure? What makes someone go see a movie in a genre they don't enjoy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by valks View Post
    well that film was boring, though I generally dont like super hero films.It just dragged on and on. Almost as bad as the first one, well for me anyway.
    I've always been curious, are people like you just bitches to peer pressure? What makes someone go see a movie in a genre they don't enjoy?

    I enjoyed the dark knight but this one was just mediocre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
    Saw it last night, here's my opinion which i'm sure you are all dying to hear.

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    Also when Bane breaks his back and puts him in the prison, how in the fuck is he able to walk again? Apparently you can fix a broken back by doing a few pushups, who knew?

    Displaced vertebrae, and it took him the better of 5 months to recover with constant physical training. The 'doctor' realigns it in the movie.

    I liked when his mask got damaged and he lost his cool, started frantically wrecking shit, trying to get at Batman before he ran out of magic gas or whatever. I wish they would have actually explained what the deal was with that, it's never even mentioned.

    Pain medication (after he survived plague in prison) - no idea while it needs to be a mask.

    As for his plan, it is not as scary or exciting as Joker's in TDK. Joker is like "come nightfall, the city is mine". Bane is like "so we've got this nuke that will go off... in five months". It's not as immediate obviously, and that definitely reduces it's impact. Joker is wrecking shit up, starts blowing up hospitals, judges, Harvey and Rachel etc.. You don't know where to turn. I feel like Joker's methods of chaos and inciting panic among the populace, the city turning on itself in a mad scramble was way more exciting and tense than what happens here, where Bane comes in with an army of prisoners, and basically occupies the city for five months. They ransack the city, and it's like scenes from WW2 Stalingrad or something, but by definition it isn't as exciting. Sure I guess Bane wants the city to feel hope before he crushes it or something, but it doesn't work for me.

    I had trouble understanding Bane's motivations. I think in the end he was just being Talia's strong arm. I think they wanted to show the world how easily civilization can fall, "slowly" (only 5 months, lol) while they are unable to do anything about it.

    I also have a couple of nitpicks, like what happened to Bane? He gets blasted by Catwoman on the Batpod and then they don't even show whether he's dead or what.

    Bane got shot by a cannon - he's fucking dead. Also, I find it interesting that Cat Woman did it. Nolan's Batman can't kill, and Bane is such a bad ass that he can't be stopped without lethal force.

    And the scene where Lucius Fox finds out that the autopilot on the Bat was functional. Was that necessary? Batman sacrificing himself for the city because there's no other way is heroic. But doing it because you're emo and want to kill yourself is pretty stupid imo.

    Did you watch the ending? Wayne survives - that's the point. He just wanted an excuse so he could give Batman, the symbol, a noble death so he could move on.

    In conclusion,

    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
    Dey-shey bah-sur-rah!
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    Loved it, really enjoyed the film. Don't know why people are belly aching about it being nearly 3 hours, didn't bother me at all.
    I feel joker was a better bad guy but still loved Bane. Didn't see Miranda's backstab (literal) coming but I did see the Autopilot being fixed coming.
    I did like Anne Hathaways character, even if she did turn on Batman at every given opportunity...

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    There were several parts of the movie that seemed quite predictable.

    The exchange in the beginning between Bruce and Alfred, where Alfred describes his dream of seeing Bruce in France(?) at some cafe, with a new life of his own. I was like, that, that is exactly how the movie is going to end. Thanks for being subtle :\

    When climbing out of the prison-pit, I thought it was obvious that it was going to be done without the rope. Not only is it incredibly cliche, if you watch carefully you also see that the rope is in fact too short to make the jump!

    I had early thought that Talia was going to turn to Bane's side. I'll give them props for turning that completely around and making her the leader of the League of Shadows, and Bane working for her.

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    Bane got shot by a cannon - he's fucking dead. Also, I find it interesting that Cat Woman did it. Nolan's Batman can't kill, and Bane is such a bad ass that he can't be stopped without lethal force.
    Yeah but it seemed like Bane was the kind of guy who wouldnt be stopped by one blast from the guns. I was expecting him to leap out of the rubble at them while they were talking, and then they would finish him off or something.

    Did you watch the ending? Wayne survives - that's the point. He just wanted an excuse so he could give Batman, the symbol, a noble death so he could move on.
    See I interpreted that as Alfred having a kind of wishful thinking daydream, like he'd talked about. You know, like at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke sees Obi Wan and Anakin's ghosts. But if that scene is supposed to say that he's literally alive, then I don't quite know why they made such a big deal of the whole sacrifice play. And plus, if I was Alfred i'd be kind of pissed that i'd had a funeral for him and then he shows up at some cafe and nods at me. I'd be like, what the fuck man, come on.

    And also, how in the fuck is he supposed to get out of the Bat before it blows up? Either he jumps out at the edge of the city without being seen somehow despite everyone watching it, or he jumps out in the middle of the sea and he's got to swim like five miles back to shore in freezing water in all his bat gear. It's completely impractical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
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    Bane got shot by a cannon - he's fucking dead. Also, I find it interesting that Cat Woman did it. Nolan's Batman can't kill, and Bane is such a bad ass that he can't be stopped without lethal force.
    Yeah but it seemed like Bane was the kind of guy who wouldnt be stopped by one blast from the guns. I was expecting him to leap out of the rubble at them while they were talking, and then they would finish him off or something.

    Did you watch the ending? Wayne survives - that's the point. He just wanted an excuse so he could give Batman, the symbol, a noble death so he could move on.
    See I interpreted that as Alfred having a kind of wishful thinking daydream, like he'd talked about. You know, like at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke sees Obi Wan and Anakin's ghosts. But if that scene is supposed to say that he's literally alive, then I don't quite know why they made such a big deal of the whole sacrifice play. And plus, if I was Alfred i'd be kind of pissed that i'd had a funeral for him and then he shows up at some cafe and nods at me. I'd be like, what the fuck man, come on.

    And also, how in the fuck is he supposed to get out of the Bat before it blows up? Either he jumps out at the edge of the city without being seen somehow despite everyone watching it, or he jumps out in the middle of the sea and he's got to swim like five miles back to shore in freezing water in all his bat gear. It's completely impractical.
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    The dude recovered from a broken back in 4 months and then hauled himself a good couple of hundred metres out of a hole to go toe-to-toe with, potentially, one of the hardest guys on the planet. Swimming a couple of miles doesn't strike me as that far fetched given all that. Hell, for all we know, he got out over the bay, and then ejected and glided back on synthetic wings. Can't remember if we saw those on his newest suit or not.

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    Or he stocks his flying vehicles with equipment to survive a water landing.


    EDIT: Added spoiler. Sorry. Tapatalk didn't show what I responding to as spoilered.
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    Or he stocks his flying vehicles with equipment to survive a water landing.
    But thats cheating
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
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    Bane got shot by a cannon - he's fucking dead. Also, I find it interesting that Cat Woman did it. Nolan's Batman can't kill, and Bane is such a bad ass that he can't be stopped without lethal force.
    Yeah but it seemed like Bane was the kind of guy who wouldnt be stopped by one blast from the guns. I was expecting him to leap out of the rubble at them while they were talking, and then they would finish him off or something.

    Did you watch the ending? Wayne survives - that's the point. He just wanted an excuse so he could give Batman, the symbol, a noble death so he could move on.
    See I interpreted that as Alfred having a kind of wishful thinking daydream, like he'd talked about. You know, like at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke sees Obi Wan and Anakin's ghosts. But if that scene is supposed to say that he's literally alive, then I don't quite know why they made such a big deal of the whole sacrifice play. And plus, if I was Alfred i'd be kind of pissed that i'd had a funeral for him and then he shows up at some cafe and nods at me. I'd be like, what the fuck man, come on.

    And also, how in the fuck is he supposed to get out of the Bat before it blows up? Either he jumps out at the edge of the city without being seen somehow despite everyone watching it, or he jumps out in the middle of the sea and he's got to swim like five miles back to shore in freezing water in all his bat gear. It's completely impractical.
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    He could have jumped out at any point between leaving Gordon and the vehicle reaching the edge of the city he could have leapt onto a rooftop or whatever as it was flying past even if someone had seen him it wouldn't matter so much, people are still seeing Elvis but no-one believes their crazy asses. Besides if Blake is going to be a new Batman for Gotham as he finds the cave at the end then it wouldn't matter anyway because despite his first name I assumed he'd find the batman suit and would simply take over that role rather than become a new symbol because there was a new bat-symbol on the police HQ roof right at the end or did I misread that whole scene?

    Regarding the autopilot the question of when Bruce left the plane is not as important to me as how he fixed the autopilot. I wasn't aware Bruce Wayne was a computer programming techno wizz I mean the most technical thing I can remember him doing in the other two films is shaping some bat-ninja stars, but suddenly he can fix an autopilot despite the fact that Lucius and the R&D department of Wayne enterprises couldn't. He may be rich and have a cool suit, but he's no Tony Stark.

    I thought the ending was quite good and I like the little nod to the wider franchise when you find out what Blakes first name is. I honestly thought the movie was going to end about 10 minutes before it did and I was sitting in the cinema thinking: this is really bleak. I didn't think about the autopilot, but it actually put a smile on my face when Alfred looked over and saw Bruce.

    I also liked that Gordon found out who Batman was right at the end, and the little flashback to Bruce as a kid being told it would be ok by a younger Gordon that was a nice little touch.

    Also one final question: does the bat-bike attach to the bat-copter thing? because he rides the bike into an alley and rides out on the bat copter. Where did the bike go? I'm probably overthinking this a little considering its a comic book superhero movie.



    All in all I enjoyed it and recommend it to anyone who hasn't see it yet. it was better than the first, but the Joker is still the king of the trilogy. In the past i've generally preferred Marvel to DC but now that the trilogy is over I thought Nolans Batman trilogy was excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    Or he stocks his flying vehicles with equipment to survive a water landing.
    But thats cheating


    good job spoilering

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    Oh yeah, it was definitely a good movie, and all those little touches and nods back to the start of the trilogy, and Blake finding the Batcave etc were really cool.

    Wayne programming the autopilot isn't much of a stretch, he's supposed to be a super-genius, though they don't focus much on that in these movies, he's more of a badass in a cape who fucks everyone up. Batman is kind of the 'preparation master' like he has plans for how to defeat everyone in the Justice League in case they go rogue and he has to fight them. I guess him being able to jump out of the Bat in time is not that far fetched, since he can disappear in like a second without making a sound. It's just not that clear how he did it. And the thing with the bomb as well, like wouldn't everyone in the city get a huge dose of radiation from the fallout? I'm sure there's some shitty explanation that it's a clean bomb, but there's way too many conveniences in the plot like that. And how does it even fucking maintain a fusion reaction for five months without it's core, let alone explode? Dumb.

    Yeah you would assume that the Batpod attaches to the Bat, but no they don't show it. Also while we're nitpicking, how slow were those missles they fired at it? Missiles are usually faster than prop-powered aircraft ffs.. Also does anyone else think that the big fan blade on the bottom of it looked pretty vulnerable? There's several times in the movie where he takes off vertically and the bad guys have clear shots on the underside of it. Surely even small-arms fire would fuck up an unprotected prop blade or whatever it is.
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