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    Andy McDonald has resigned from the Labour front bench, citing Starmer's broken promises.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    Here is a diagram on how the UK compares to EU countries in intermodal freight transport (from 2016 because that is the last year in which the UK is in these diagrams that I could find, the proportion of road freight volume has increased since then):

    Quite surprised the UK doesn't have more rail freight.
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    Railway policy until relatively recently was little more than why bother when nobody will ride trains in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    Here is a diagram on how the UK compares to EU countries in intermodal freight transport (from 2016 because that is the last year in which the UK is in these diagrams that I could find, the proportion of road freight volume has increased since then):

    Quite surprised the UK doesn't have more rail freight.
    Im not, our trains are shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    Here is a diagram on how the UK compares to EU countries in intermodal freight transport (from 2016 because that is the last year in which the UK is in these diagrams that I could find, the proportion of road freight volume has increased since then):

    Quite surprised the UK doesn't have more rail freight.
    Im not, our trains are shit
    Also a lot of rail lines that could have been used to send freight to regional depots were closed in the 60s and 70s


    Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it

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    If only we'd built the grand contour canal
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Can we assume that meester has wisely invested the time he hasn't spent here in getting his HGV license?
    Its cute to see you still have kept me close to your heart after a year of me being away.

    This must be one of those trans-generational trauma things I have heard about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMeester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Can we assume that meester has wisely invested the time he hasn't spent here in getting his HGV license?
    Its cute to see you still have kept me close to your heart after a year of me being away.

    This must be one of those trans-generational trauma things I have heard about.
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    I've lost that Simpsons pic of labour smashing Labour Choking Labour. Seems appropriate again still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    I've lost that Simpsons pic of labour smashing Labour Choking Labour. Seems appropriate again still.
    The right of the party just needs to accept the membership is more left wing than they are. They don't have to kick left every time they are reminded of the fact.

    Funny how the media were so keen to talk about Corbyn's stalinist purges of the party which never happened whereas they keep quiet about Starmer doing everything possible to ensure the left of the party are either removed or locked out.

    Quote Originally Posted by NotMeester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Can we assume that meester has wisely invested the time he hasn't spent here in getting his HGV license?
    Its cute to see you still have kept me close to your heart after a year of me being away.

    This must be one of those trans-generational trauma things I have heard about.
    Remembering a prolific shitter with the reasoning skills of a toddler isnt trauma.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    I've lost that Simpsons pic of labour smashing Labour Choking Labour. Seems appropriate again still.
    The right of the party just needs to accept the membership is more left wing than they are. They don't have to kick left every time they are reminded of the fact.

    Funny how the media were so keen to talk about Corbyn's stalinist purges of the party which never happened whereas they keep quiet about Starmer doing everything possible to ensure the left of the party are either removed or locked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Can we assume that meester has wisely invested the time he hasn't spent here in getting his HGV license?
    Its cute to see you still have kept me close to your heart after a year of me being away.

    This must be one of those trans-generational trauma things I have heard about.
    Remembering a prolific shitter with the reasoning skills of a toddler isnt trauma.
    The left of the party has literally spent every moment since Starmer was elected trying desperately to undermine him, the EHRC and literally any credible attempt to make Labour electable

    Meanwhile Starmer's end of the party has gone to pathetic milquetoast focus-grouping paralysis.

    The Unions just vetod Labour support for proportional representation.... so that's that. The only reason for voting labour gone. And its the lefts fault, not Starmers/

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    The left of the party (which is largely just the membership weirdos being vocal on twitter) has done what and with what mechanisms of power within the party? Now contrast that with the PLP and their actions during the Corbyn years with actual mechanisms of power.

    The Unions are a third faction of the party, and fuck knows how they see themselves aligned. They aren't really the 'left' since there's a negligible amount of union power outside of the public sector.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Unions arent left wing. Really?

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    The unions are a relic of the past and are refusing to modernise to embrace the new working reality. They don't represent many of the workers who need them most.

    They supported FPTP because their immediate concern is appeasing Starmer and maintaining their power within the Labour party structure.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    I've lost that Simpsons pic of labour smashing Labour Choking Labour. Seems appropriate again still.
    The right of the party just needs to accept the membership is more left wing than they are. They don't have to kick left every time they are reminded of the fact.

    Funny how the media were so keen to talk about Corbyn's stalinist purges of the party which never happened whereas they keep quiet about Starmer doing everything possible to ensure the left of the party are either removed or locked out.

    Quote Originally Posted by NotMeester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Can we assume that meester has wisely invested the time he hasn't spent here in getting his HGV license?
    Its cute to see you still have kept me close to your heart after a year of me being away.

    This must be one of those trans-generational trauma things I have heard about.
    Remembering a prolific shitter with the reasoning skills of a toddler isnt trauma.
    The left of the party has literally spent every moment since Starmer was elected trying desperately to undermine him, the EHRC and literally any credible attempt to make Labour electable

    Meanwhile Starmer's end of the party has gone to pathetic milquetoast focus-grouping paralysis.

    The Unions just vetod Labour support for proportional representation.... so that's that. The only reason for voting labour gone. And its the lefts fault, not Starmers/
    The undermining only started happening once Starmer started to move away from the pledges he made during the leadership campaign. And even now, it's nowhere near the scale of what the centrists were up to while Corbyn was leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Unions arent left wing. Really?
    The unions were the reason why the motion to increase the nomination theshold in leadership elections was passed - a motion specifically designed to block the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    The undermining only started happening once Starmer started to move away from the pledges he made during the leadership campaign.
    It started about 30 seconds after he was elected.
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    honestly labour is such a fucking mess right now. I'm not convinced much can be done but nuke us from orbit and start again.
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    All because Ed was shit at eating bacon butties
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    Labour is a mess because they refuse to even attempt to resolve the tensions that exist between members and PLP.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    That's not our fault, it's their fault.

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