(UK EURO THREAD) UK POLITICS MK2

[Totally Not Larkonnis]

Did we talk about this yet?
I know it's the Torygraph, but wow that's some mental gymnastics.

  Spoiler:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210124...xit-broken-eu/

This mismanagement of monetary union altered British perceptions of the EU before the Brexit Referendum. It also led to the migration of several hundred thousand economic refugees from Southern Europe, and displaced flows from Eastern Europe into the UK. This combined into a perfect storm with Merkel’s precipitous decision to go it alone in 2015 and open the floodgates from the Middle East, ignoring David Cameron’s counsel that the Syrian refugee crisis was best handled in the Levant.

By then, of course, the Chancellor had already sown the seeds of British exasperation. It began in earnest when she resuscitated the European Constitution – rebranded the Lisbon Treaty – after it had already been rejected by the French and Dutch people in referenda. Her motive was obvious. It increased the German voting weight in the EU institutions.

Merkel’s Lisbon Treaty was a watershed moment. It is one thing to advance the project by the Monnet method of stealth, it is another to do so once major proposals have been explicitly rejected by electorates. It further undermined the EU’s legitimacy among a coterie of British politicians, commentators, and financiers, and these people would later matter.

The treaty gave the European Court of Justice jurisdiction over all areas of EU law for the first time, upgrading it from an economic tribunal into a supreme court. The Charter of Fundamental Rights became legally binding. The ECJ suddenly acquired the means to rule on anything. It has since used that power expansively, as the German constitutional court, ironically, protests with irritation.

The Common Law protocol in the treaty exempting British courts from such encroachment was ignored before the ink was dry. The European Court began to strike down British laws on criminal procedure or data sharing with the US intelligence agencies. Another slice of influential British opinion peeled away.

Chancellor Merkel persisted. She circumvented a British veto of the Fiscal Compact, ramming through the treaty by other means, and visibly isolating the Prime Minister. All Britain had asked for was a safeguard clause for the City.

It's not entirely wrong...

Within and without member states, non member states and now non member states there are different expectations with regards to what the EU should look like...

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

[Shaikar]

Did we talk about this yet?
I know it's the Torygraph, but wow that's some mental gymnastics.

  Spoiler:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210124...xit-broken-eu/

This mismanagement of monetary union altered British perceptions of the EU before the Brexit Referendum. It also led to the migration of several hundred thousand economic refugees from Southern Europe, and displaced flows from Eastern Europe into the UK. This combined into a perfect storm with Merkel’s precipitous decision to go it alone in 2015 and open the floodgates from the Middle East, ignoring David Cameron’s counsel that the Syrian refugee crisis was best handled in the Levant.

By then, of course, the Chancellor had already sown the seeds of British exasperation. It began in earnest when she resuscitated the European Constitution – rebranded the Lisbon Treaty – after it had already been rejected by the French and Dutch people in referenda. Her motive was obvious. It increased the German voting weight in the EU institutions.

Merkel’s Lisbon Treaty was a watershed moment. It is one thing to advance the project by the Monnet method of stealth, it is another to do so once major proposals have been explicitly rejected by electorates. It further undermined the EU’s legitimacy among a coterie of British politicians, commentators, and financiers, and these people would later matter.

The treaty gave the European Court of Justice jurisdiction over all areas of EU law for the first time, upgrading it from an economic tribunal into a supreme court. The Charter of Fundamental Rights became legally binding. The ECJ suddenly acquired the means to rule on anything. It has since used that power expansively, as the German constitutional court, ironically, protests with irritation.

The Common Law protocol in the treaty exempting British courts from such encroachment was ignored before the ink was dry. The European Court began to strike down British laws on criminal procedure or data sharing with the US intelligence agencies. Another slice of influential British opinion peeled away.

Chancellor Merkel persisted. She circumvented a British veto of the Fiscal Compact, ramming through the treaty by other means, and visibly isolating the Prime Minister. All Britain had asked for was a safeguard clause for the City.

Wow.
Not much else to say really.

Though I did enjoy this from the replies:

[RazoR]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

britannia rule the waves indeed

[walrus]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

britannia rule the waves indeed

Gold star for not being Greece has been awarded the UK

[Rodj Blake]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

[Zekk Pacus]

Thinking a lot this morning about how back in August the scientists said without a second lockdown immediately we'd be at 66,000 deaths and the government basically told them to fuck off and stop scaremongering

Thinking a lot about that for no particular reason u no

[Joe Appleby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu


The UK gov's Department for International Trade has advised companies to form European companies to avoid tariffs etc.

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

Spicier bit:

Andrew Moss, who runs Horizon Retail Marketing Solutions, based in Ely, Cambridgeshire, which sells packaging and point-of-sale marketing displays in the UK and to EU customers, is registering a European company Horizon Europe in the Netherlands in the next few weeks, on the advice of a senior government adviser.

This will mean laying off a small number of staff here and taking on people in the Netherlands.

Referring to discussions with a senior DIT adviser on trade, Moss said: “This guy talked complete sense. What I said to him was, have I got another choice [other than to set up a company abroad]? He confirmed that he couldn’t see another way. He told me that what I was thinking of doing was the right thing, that he could see no other option. He did not see this as a teething problem. He said he had to be careful what he said, but he was very clear.”

Emphasis mine

I am not sure that this is what Brexiteers wanted.

[Joe Appleby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu


The UK gov's Department for International Trade has advised companies to form European companies to avoid tariffs etc.

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

Spicier bit:

Andrew Moss, who runs Horizon Retail Marketing Solutions, based in Ely, Cambridgeshire, which sells packaging and point-of-sale marketing displays in the UK and to EU customers, is registering a European company Horizon Europe in the Netherlands in the next few weeks, on the advice of a senior government adviser.

This will mean laying off a small number of staff here and taking on people in the Netherlands.

Referring to discussions with a senior DIT adviser on trade, Moss said: “This guy talked complete sense. What I said to him was, have I got another choice [other than to set up a company abroad]? He confirmed that he couldn’t see another way. He told me that what I was thinking of doing was the right thing, that he could see no other option. He did not see this as a teething problem. He said he had to be careful what he said, but he was very clear.”

Emphasis mine

I am not sure that this is what Brexiteers wanted.

[GeromeDoutrande]

Not sure what you're talking about, it is entirely consistent with Brexiteer thinking. If there are no jobs in the UK then no evil foreigners will come over here and take them away from UK citizens. Mission accomplished.

[DerWish]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

Achievement unlocked.

[Stoffl]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

And good food.

[NoirAvlaa]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

And good food.

And good looking wimmin

[Zeekar]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

And good food.

Eeeh. I found the food to be nothing special...

[Zekk Pacus]

Have you tried British food?

[Lief Siddhe]

tzatziki is cool

[Zekk Pacus]

Gyros > All

[Djan Seriy Anaplian]

but it must be pork

[depili]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

And good food.

And good looking wimmin

And good weather

[GeromeDoutrande]

The UK may be worse off in the short term but at least we're not Greece.

The difference being that Greece has some great holiday destinations.

And good food.

And good looking wimmin

And good weather

And the Parthenon

[Keckers]

I reckon we can match them for corruption in public office though