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    Meanwhile, in Scotland three polls in the last five days have put support for independence at 50% or above.

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    And the Irish election currently polls at a slim lead for Sinn Fein.
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    BBC mixes up two black MPs. Evening Standard reports on this, but adds a third black MP into the mix.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-of-black-mps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The higher education system has needed a kick up the arse to resolve a bunch of internal tensions between student bodies, research output and undergrad teaching quality for well over a decade. Brexit is finally making them come to terms with some of these issues but probably not in a productive manner.

    Higher education is a niche concern for a small proportion of the population. Whatever happens I don't think we'll see much impact on public opinion good or bad.
    That's naive. Sure, as you say (respectfully summarising), it's a subculture.

    It's the subculture that has basically invented computers, modern physics, contemporary cosmology, and I stop listing this random order top of my head stuff. It shouldn't be given this kind of blow.

    Maybe it recovers.

    Maybe it's gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    So much for the 'open for talent' spiel then.
    Good, the world needs less sociologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
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    Have there been any reactions that I've missed to Trump's middle East peace PowerPoint? (Plan seems overselling it)

    Because it is uniting after all.

    ... For Europe. The brand new Union high representative, ex Belgian pm Michel, has asked to all the foreign ministers some hours prepare a common answer and then delivered.
    Even Hungary's played ball, the only supportive reaction I know of comes from Italy's Salvini who's now opposition.

    https://www.liberation.fr/planete/20...2?xtor=rss-450

    Apparently Jared was calling the capitals asking for support and he's been outmanouvered.
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    Universities will specialise into either corporate R&D departments developing new and exciting ways for your household appliance to spy on you and creating medicine nobody can afford or pure qualification factories.

    The safe guess for likely outcomes is a massive increase in educational inequality.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    We're not allowed to say no deal anymore. The correct newspeak is non-negotiable outcome.

    This is fine and normal.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    I may not be around to see it, but I predict that within the next 20 years, the UK will come begging with its tail between its legs to rejoin the EU , but the terms then will be infinitely worse than those it enjoyed for so long.
    I'm thinking 8-12 years
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eak-past-myths

    The whole article is good/interesting, but I want to highlight this:

    In his richly nuanced Warring Fictions, the most stimulating book I have read on Labour in ages, party activist Chris Clarke highlights three legacy myths of the Corbyn era’s left populism that Labour needs to overcome.

    The first, which he dubs the “dark knight” myth, claims that politics is a Manichean struggle between the morally good in-group (in this case the Labour left) and the wicked and selfish centre and right (the Tories and all those who can be tarred with the neoliberal or Tory-lite labels that have become Labour’s curse). This, says Clarke, leads to a destructive exclusivist allure of identity, moral self-regard and complacency.

    The second, the “puppetmaster” myth, says everything is ultimately a conspiracy against the public. In this view, the country is run by an elite of (sometimes foreign) magnates, media and deep-state agencies bent on crushing the public into submission to the status quo. As a result, incremental and reformist politics can be dismissed as hopeless.

    The third, which Clarke calls the “golden age” myth, is a narrative of decline from an era of supposed virtue – the postwar Attlee era looms large – against which later eras are always found wanting. This leads to the favourite Labour trope of leadership betrayal, in which everything is a moral failure by corrupted leaders who should have acted in more virtuous ways, whatever the constraints. There is no room here to go into the details of Clarke’s argument, but they are all familiar from the Corbyn era, as well as from the parlous state of the US Democratic party.
    Ah, yes, just have everyone move to central liberalism, everything else is obviously extremist dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eak-past-myths

    The whole article is good/interesting, but I want to highlight this:

    In his richly nuanced Warring Fictions, the most stimulating book I have read on Labour in ages, party activist Chris Clarke highlights three legacy myths of the Corbyn era’s left populism that Labour needs to overcome.

    The first, which he dubs the “dark knight” myth, claims that politics is a Manichean struggle between the morally good in-group (in this case the Labour left) and the wicked and selfish centre and right (the Tories and all those who can be tarred with the neoliberal or Tory-lite labels that have become Labour’s curse). This, says Clarke, leads to a destructive exclusivist allure of identity, moral self-regard and complacency.

    The second, the “puppetmaster” myth, says everything is ultimately a conspiracy against the public. In this view, the country is run by an elite of (sometimes foreign) magnates, media and deep-state agencies bent on crushing the public into submission to the status quo. As a result, incremental and reformist politics can be dismissed as hopeless.

    The third, which Clarke calls the “golden age” myth, is a narrative of decline from an era of supposed virtue – the postwar Attlee era looms large – against which later eras are always found wanting. This leads to the favourite Labour trope of leadership betrayal, in which everything is a moral failure by corrupted leaders who should have acted in more virtuous ways, whatever the constraints. There is no room here to go into the details of Clarke’s argument, but they are all familiar from the Corbyn era, as well as from the parlous state of the US Democratic party.
    Ah, yes, just have everyone move to central liberalism, everything else is obviously extremist dumb.
    Finally you get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    We're not allowed to say no deal anymore. The correct newspeak is non-negotiable outcome.

    This is fine and normal.
    Or "Australia-style deal"

    Because Australia doesn't have an FTA with the EU.

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    Shouldn't it actually be called a 'non-negotiated outcome'?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Shouldn't it actually be called a 'non-negotiated outcome'?
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    National debt has gone past £2T, with barely a mention from the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    National debt has gone past £2T, with barely a mention from the media.
    Well, soon his Majesty Boris Johnson the first of his name will fix that by devaluing the pound.

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