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    Fookin hell.

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    lol a slaughter

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    That also means essentially no one chose to abstain.

    Looks like big J is going for the motion of no confidence. So we're going to end up in the ludicrous situation where most of her own party won't vote for her own key policy but will vote for her.

    Yep, he's done it. Also probably the strongest speech he's ever given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solana View Post
    This is amusing, but this nonsense isn't helpful. British politicians across the spectrum think Tusk to be a meddling, smug little shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Solana View Post
    This is amusing, but this nonsense isn't helpful. British politicians across the spectrum think Tusk to be a meddling, smug little shit.
    You don't say?

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    I don't see how a government who loses a vote like this by a 230 vote margin can still survive a VoNC. 118 Tories voted against May's key deal, and what, tomorrow they'll still have confidence in her? No government in modern time has humiliated itself like this one, and tomorrow the Tories are going to explain to the country that that should have no real consequences for them?

    It's this sort of shit that make people lose faith in politics/politicians/democracy. Not the whole Brexit means Brexit nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    No wonder, Matt Hancock is a twat, and nowhere near in the running for anything ...

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    Yeah, one of the joys of the Australian parliament is that this situation would trigger a double dissolution election (both houses of Parliament are ~immediatelully dissolved and an election is triggered).

    Generally it means governments don't put themselves into positions where they can't pass legislation (twice). But because this is a bill that must pass, they wouldn't have this option and would need to present it again and fail again.

    Amusingly we also have solutions to the US crisis as well (failure to pass funding for government services will do the same thing).

    And that's before you start looking at what the Governor General can do (although that has been severely curtailed since 1975).

    We do have our own issues (we'd have had 15 different PMs during this issue), so it's not all rosy: but this shit "we won't support urgent government policy but we will support the government" is cancerous on a vote of this magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I don't see how a government who loses a vote like this by a 230 vote margin can still survive a VoNC. 118 Tories voted against May's key deal, and what, tomorrow they'll still have confidence in her? No government in modern time has humiliated itself like this one, and tomorrow the Tories are going to explain to the country that that should have no real consequences for them?

    It's this sort of shit that make people lose faith in politics/politicians/democracy. Not the whole Brexit means Brexit nonsense.
    P much. Why would they vote her down? They'd end up with sajid or Hancock or grieve as pm, and if you think they're split about brexit...

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    2/3 votes needed to trigger an early election
    too bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    2/3 votes needed to trigger an early election
    too bad
    The disdain is warranted. The FTPA is another of Cameron's and Clegg's brainwaves, and like so many of their other achievements at least partially concocted to protect their own parliamentary position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    2/3 votes needed to trigger an early election
    too bad
    The disdain is warranted. The FTPA is another of Cameron's and Clegg's brainwaves, and like so many of their other achievements at least partially concocted to protect their own parliamentary position.
    OK, you can put the blame on both Cameron and Clegg for that one ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I don't see how a government who loses a vote like this by a 230 vote margin can still survive a VoNC. 118 Tories voted against May's key deal, and what, tomorrow they'll still have confidence in her? No government in modern time has humiliated itself like this one, and tomorrow the Tories are going to explain to the country that that should have no real consequences for them?

    It's this sort of shit that make people lose faith in politics/politicians/democracy. Not the whole Brexit means Brexit nonsense.
    P much. Why would they vote her down? They'd end up with sajid or Hancock or grieve as pm, and if you think they're split about brexit...
    Neither of those three are even near who the Tory membership want as leader of their party, and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I don't see how a government who loses a vote like this by a 230 vote margin can still survive a VoNC. 118 Tories voted against May's key deal, and what, tomorrow they'll still have confidence in her? No government in modern time has humiliated itself like this one, and tomorrow the Tories are going to explain to the country that that should have no real consequences for them?

    It's this sort of shit that make people lose faith in politics/politicians/democracy. Not the whole Brexit means Brexit nonsense.
    P much. Why would they vote her down? They'd end up with sajid or Hancock or grieve as pm, and if you think they're split about brexit...
    Neither of those three are even near who the Tory membership want as leader of their party, and you know it.
    Nor do they want Boris or Gove or Hunt or Raab.

    She won the leadership election because she was the only candidate the entire party could stomach. She won her confidence vote because she was the only candidate the entire party can stomach. The Government will win their confidence vote tomorrow because she is the only candidate the entire party can stomach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Solana View Post
    This is amusing, but this nonsense isn't helpful. British politicians across the spectrum think Tusk to be a meddling, smug little shit.
    Yeah that's fucking stupid.

    The smart move would be to keep your mouth shut and let it play out so you don't lend any credence to the meddling/domineering EU trope

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    Shocking as it might be, opinions on Brexit are not the sole purview of irate Englishmen.

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    DUP has apparently said that they will support May in the VoNC, so barring some tories rebelling May will continue and the train will be still heading towards no deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    2/3 votes needed to trigger an early election
    too bad
    Not with a VONC.

    If the vote passes by a simple majority, May has to step down. There's then 14 days during which a new government can be formed from the existing Parliament. If one can't be formed, there's an election.

    But the vote won't pass.
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