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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    At this point, nobody is happy, nobody is getting what they want and we all just want to call the whole fucking thing off.

    Seriously, your gloating and useless comments are just that.
    Haven't seen a motion tabled for that. The people's vote is the closest thing so far and that lost by about 200 votes... They resemble a angry employee that has given his notice and at the same time decided he won't be unemployed, he won't be working for more than 20 hours a week, his pay is going to double and he is going to have a corner office with a red swingline stapler and at the same time torn up his only job application that he has managed to fill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    So labour rejecting the referendum amendment but might support it next week if it suits them.

    They want a GE so they can do Brexit their way, at best they will end up spending 2 years negotiating a customs union which leaves us paying in but no voice. This will get rejected by parliament as it's still a shit deal compared to what we have. We'll then have wasted 2 more years and tanked our economy more, why are they incapable of seeing this.
    What else do you suggest they do which makes sense in the current political and economic environment?
    They could stop sitting on the fence and pretending they don't exist while Tories fuck up Brexit by actually stating a realistic deal that they and the EU would accept (ignoring their crap about the tests which are impossible to achieve) and giving May something to work towards which can be passed without the ERG. May can then tell the ERG to go fuck themselves and start having a sensible negotiation. For example Labour could publicly state they would accept a customs union without single market, achieving 'out' but also ensuring regularity and trading alignment with the EU if there was a referendum on the final deal. This supports leaving with a deal as per the leave campaign, protecting workers rights and standards. achieves a referendum as per conference and party members views and has a realistic chance of succeeding.

    It's a very simple compromise, instead they have given impossible to achieve tests and used it on an excuse to score political points. I think the Tories are the main culpable party in this mess but Labour could of done more to avoid it being a mess for the benefit of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    At this point, nobody is happy, nobody is getting what they want and we all just want to call the whole fucking thing off.

    Seriously, your gloating and useless comments are just that.
    Haven't seen a motion tabled for that. The people's vote is the closest thing so far and that lost by about 200 votes... They resemble a angry employee that has given his notice and at the same time decided he won't be unemployed, he won't be working for more than 20 hours a week, his pay is going to double and he is going to have a corner office with a red swingline stapler and at the same time torn up his only job application that he has managed to fill.
    In fairness labour pulled their support and not many Tories would step into the firing line when it has no chance of winning. I still don't think it will carry but it is one of the few options that actually offer a resolution (which isn't accepting the piss poor deal negotiated).

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    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
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    So labour rejecting the referendum amendment but might support it next week if it suits them.

    They want a GE so they can do Brexit their way, at best they will end up spending 2 years negotiating a customs union which leaves us paying in but no voice. This will get rejected by parliament as it's still a shit deal compared to what we have. We'll then have wasted 2 more years and tanked our economy more, why are they incapable of seeing this.
    What else do you suggest they do which makes sense in the current political and economic environment?
    They could stop sitting on the fence and pretending they don't exist while Tories fuck up Brexit by actually stating a realistic deal that they and the EU would accept (ignoring their crap about the tests which are impossible to achieve) and giving May something to work towards which can be passed without the ERG. May can then tell the ERG to go fuck themselves and start having a sensible negotiation. For example Labour could publicly state they would accept a customs union without single market, achieving 'out' but also ensuring regularity and trading alignment with the EU if there was a referendum on the final deal. This supports leaving with a deal as per the leave campaign, protecting workers rights and standards. achieves a referendum as per conference and party members views and has a realistic chance of succeeding.

    It's a very simple compromise, instead they have given impossible to achieve tests and used it on an excuse to score political points. I think the Tories are the main culpable party in this mess but Labour could of done more to avoid it being a mess for the benefit of the country.
    labour has literately nothing to gain from helping May in this situation, the only correct play is to keep handing her rope while she's binding the noose around her own neck.

    had the situation been reversed the tories would be behaving exactly like Labour, if not even more obstructionist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
    So labour rejecting the referendum amendment but might support it next week if it suits them.

    They want a GE so they can do Brexit their way, at best they will end up spending 2 years negotiating a customs union which leaves us paying in but no voice. This will get rejected by parliament as it's still a shit deal compared to what we have. We'll then have wasted 2 more years and tanked our economy more, why are they incapable of seeing this.
    What else do you suggest they do which makes sense in the current political and economic environment?
    They could stop sitting on the fence and pretending they don't exist while Tories fuck up Brexit by actually stating a realistic deal that they and the EU would accept (ignoring their crap about the tests which are impossible to achieve) and giving May something to work towards which can be passed without the ERG. May can then tell the ERG to go fuck themselves and start having a sensible negotiation. For example Labour could publicly state they would accept a customs union without single market, achieving 'out' but also ensuring regularity and trading alignment with the EU if there was a referendum on the final deal. This supports leaving with a deal as per the leave campaign, protecting workers rights and standards. achieves a referendum as per conference and party members views and has a realistic chance of succeeding.

    It's a very simple compromise, instead they have given impossible to achieve tests and used it on an excuse to score political points. I think the Tories are the main culpable party in this mess but Labour could of done more to avoid it being a mess for the benefit of the country.
    labour has literately nothing to gain from helping May in this situation, the only correct play is to keep handing her rope while she's binding the noose around her own neck.

    had the situation been reversed the tories would be behaving exactly like Labour, if not even more obstructionist.
    They don't have anything to gain as a party but shouldn't ensuring a good leave deal without May's stupid red lines be more important than the party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.
    TIG don't actually want a people's vote yet though, there isn't enough support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.
    TIG don't actually want a people's vote yet though, there isn't enough support.
    Yeh that was exactly my point: they used today as a sort of platform.

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    Inb4 europe says no to an extension
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Inb4 europe says no to an extension
    I'm betting on it I think. It only takes one veto

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    March 15 2019

    (FOURTEEN DAYS REMAIN)

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    Angry tea drinking and deadlocking intensifies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.
    TIG don't actually want a people's vote yet though, there isn't enough support.
    TIG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.
    TIG don't actually want a people's vote yet though, there isn't enough support.
    TIG?
    The Independent Group
    They currently want a second referendum "no later than" September 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grendelfreak View Post
    Tinfoil conspiracy theory time: Nobody in parliament actually wants Brexit, and the endless defeats and extensions is a coordinated effort to make a 2nd referendum politically viable. Staying the the EU, Brexiteers get to keep blaming unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (as opposed to the unelected bureaucrats in London) for everything. Plus they get to play the hero, fighting the lost cause.
    Not really tinfoil tbh.

    TIG used today’s abstentions to set out their stall for a people’s vote, the failure of the motion was purposeful.
    TIG don't actually want a people's vote yet though, there isn't enough support.
    TIG?
    The Independent Group - Umunna's bunch.

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    'oh for fucks sake' sums it up pretty nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Inb4 europe says no to an extension
    I'm betting on it I think. It only takes one veto
    the big eu question should be "why should we give you an extension - what will you do with it"

    another year of kicking the can down the road while you fail to come to a decision?
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    TIG arent a political party yet right? Not registered, dont have to declare funding, were elected on the back of another political party's election mandate, that sort of thing?


    On EU giving an extension, why wouldnt they? If they want a productive relationship post-brexit, why not help out your faltering retarded neighbour when he is choking on his own dick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    the big eu question should be "why should we give you an extension - what will you do with it"

    another year of kicking the can down the road while you fail to come to a decision?
    If they offer an extension it should probably be for the term of the next european parliament and come with a cost.

    How about 350 million a week until an agreement is sorted?
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