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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    The way to support those people is to pay their wages rather than force them to work during a pandemic (which aside from the personal risk, increases the likelihood of a second wave).

    The way to support the sector generally is by things like rent holidays and cancelling business rates.
    how do rent holidays or business rates support say, farmers and their distributors to restaurants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Cheaper meals doesn't help get people through the doors if there's nowhere for them to sit. For restaurants being forced to operate at 25% of their usual capacity this won't help much. It might help incentivise midweek rather than weekend meals, but mostly what it's going to do is just send a big ol' subsidy into the pockets of people who can already afford to go for a midweek restaurant meal and who would almost certainly have done so anyway.

    However most people I know have gone "ooh that means we can go for boozy tapas for only £20 a head, isn't Rishi such a clever boy?"
    well the people that couldn't afford it even without a subsidy aren't going to add anything to the maths here, they wouldn't be going regardless. what this potentially (and hopefully) does is help spread out visits to restaurants, helping alleviate pressures on capacity, and gets *something* coming in - and sadly even if it means a percentage of staff lost (i doubt 25% capacity means you can run on 25% staff, best quick estimate maybe 70-80%...) but the business kept, it's not a terrible idea to my naive eyes. certainly better than most of the ideas in this mini budget anyway

    ed- triple, sorry. running after work is killing my brain

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
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    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    The way to support those people is to pay their wages rather than force them to work during a pandemic (which aside from the personal risk, increases the likelihood of a second wave).

    The way to support the sector generally is by things like rent holidays and cancelling business rates.
    how do rent holidays or business rates support say, farmers and their distributors to restaurants?
    People are still eating food, farmers have a bigger existential threat from Brexit.

    Their distributors can apply for CBILS and furlough their workers to help their balance sheet.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Not a big fan of encouraging people into situations which will be likely to spread the virus, such as eating in restaurants

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
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    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Yeah but a tenner isn't going to make people who otherwise couldn't afford to eat out go yeah let's get the kids and pile into Nando's.
    yes it is, do you follow normal people on twitter or facebook?
    When I worked at Burger King and McDonald's at the beginning of the month the families on welfare would come in, as it was their only time in the month they could afford to eat out.

    Yes, technically it wouldn't, but that's poverty to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Not a big fan of encouraging people into situations which will be likely to spread the virus, such as eating in restaurants
    no neither am i, but that's the way everything's going. Opening pubs on a saturday as an example - no real reason it couldn't be another day to help make things easier with crowds - but it's about getting people used to going back outside and spending money.

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    They shouldn't have come down so hard on people going to the park or taking walks even.

    People will need some activities in the long term to keep their sanity. But I really don't see restaurants working unless the virus is completely contained in any particular country

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    They shouldn't have come down so hard on people going to the park or taking walks even.

    People will need some activities in the long term to keep their sanity. But I really don't see restaurants working unless the virus is completely contained in any particular country
    They work fine over here, no distancing even.

    But I guess it counts as particularly contained.

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    Remember that phrase from the early days of the outbreak - flatten the curve?

    I'm slowly forming the opinion that the government is perfectly fine with not eliminating the virus. Now that the number of new infections has dropped they're happy to keep R at around 1, open up the economy as much possible, and wait for either a vaccine or herd immunity to sort everything out.

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    I thought that was always going to be the case. They'll claim that having no second wave is good and they achieved their objective of 'controlling' the virus.

    They were a week late with lockdown and that fucked up everything.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Remember that phrase from the early days of the outbreak - flatten the curve?

    I'm slowly forming the opinion that the government is perfectly fine with not eliminating the virus. Now that the number of new infections has dropped they're happy to keep R at around 1, open up the economy as much possible, and wait for either a vaccine or herd immunity to sort everything out.
    I don't think this was ever a secret. Keeping the economy shut down is just as deadly in the end as a rampant virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Remember that phrase from the early days of the outbreak - flatten the curve?

    I'm slowly forming the opinion that the government is perfectly fine with not eliminating the virus. Now that the number of new infections has dropped they're happy to keep R at around 1, open up the economy as much possible, and wait for either a vaccine or herd immunity to sort everything out.
    I don't think this was ever a secret. Keeping the economy shut down is just as deadly in the end as a rampant virus.
    They cant really exterminate the virus either, when other nations insist on being petri-dishes for it, it will return via an external source at some point.
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    Today's government scandal involves another contract given to mates of Gove and Cummings without going through the tendering process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ut-open-tender

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Today's government scandal involves another contract given to mates of Gove and Cummings without going through the tendering process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ut-open-tender
    there'll be hundreds of these floating about - Cummings probably didn't know about the apparent bias rules until a couple of weeks ago

    i'm looking forward to finding out what the fuck is up with the £15Bn PPE spend and the £10Bn T&T budget. inexplicable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Remember that phrase from the early days of the outbreak - flatten the curve?

    I'm slowly forming the opinion that the government is perfectly fine with not eliminating the virus. Now that the number of new infections has dropped they're happy to keep R at around 1, open up the economy as much possible, and wait for either a vaccine or herd immunity to sort everything out.
    I don't think this was ever a secret. Keeping the economy shut down is just as deadly in the end as a rampant virus.
    Yup this would have been the same decision no matter who was in government, the real fuck up was at the start not now.

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    Chris Grayling's been tipped to be the new chair of the Commons Intelligence Committee.

    Yes, that Chris Grayling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Yes, that Chris Grayling.
    He used to be a Lib Dem so his failure came early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    Yes, that Chris Grayling.
    He used to be a Lib Dem so his failure came early.
    SDP. Get your facts right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    SDP. Get your facts right.
    SDP merged into the Liberal's to become the Lib Dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    Yes, that Chris Grayling.
    He used to be a Lib Dem so his failure came early.
    SDP. Get your facts right.
    Meester isn't big on those.

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