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    literally you lot. stop being spastics


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    Meanwhile, a Tory councillor has found himself some of those dastardly wrong kind of Jews again
    Source?
    The big picture directly above what you've quoted, where the Tory calls a Jewish group pretend Jews?
    Unless its a legitimate article in the Jewish chronicle its not legitimate imo.

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    250M of PPE money has gone to a company with no record of supplying PPE.

    It's obviously a coincidence that the company is run by a mate of Liz Truss's

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...11067785633793


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    dunno where to put this, but it starts with a UK segment
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post


    dunno where to put this, but it starts with a UK segment
    "It's amazing how much protection this man gets in his home country, just because he's a prince."
    A strong early contender for most stupid thing I've heard this quarter.
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    ...suck on the devices of the callow people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    The big picture directly above what you've quoted, where the Tory calls a Jewish group pretend Jews?
    Had to switch to Edge to see it. Well at least he is only attacking 'pretend' Jews.

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    Incredible anti-semitism scenes, Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    The big picture directly above what you've quoted, where the Tory calls a Jewish group pretend Jews?
    Had to switch to Edge to see it. Well at least he is only attacking 'pretend' Jews.
    He's not attacking "pretend Jews"

    He's attacking actual Jews by describing them as only pretenders.

    And shame on you for defending him.

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    Decent piece in the New Statesman by Paul Mason about the economic response to Covid19

    Rishi Sunak doesn’t have an economic strategy – he has a PR strategy
    With the launch of Rishi Sunak’s Nando’s voucher scheme, the shape of the political argument over Covid-19 just became a lot clearer. The government was prepared to spend 330bn propping up businesses during the lockdown, and to pay the salaries of nine million workers as the economy marked time. But it has no clue as to the end-state it is aiming for.

    The government will end the furlough scheme in October, in the hope that by paying employers 1,000 per worker it can defer the coming jobs collapse until after Christmas. As I listened to Sunak list his gimmicks one by one – the VAT cut for hospitality and tourism, the jobs scheme for under-24s and the restaurant vouchers, it dawned on me that this was not an economic strategy but a PR strategy.

    The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) predicts that if the UK suffers a double hit of Covid-19, with a second wave in the autumn-winter of 2020-21, unemployment will rise to 15 per cent by the new year. Even with the ongoing bounceback, under this worst-case scenario the UK’s economy will shrink by 14 per cent over the whole of 2020 – a catastrophe unparalleled by any slump in the history of industrial capitalism.

    What Sunak laid today were not the foundations for an economic recovery but for his party’s political survival: an excuse for the failure that’s about to happen. If, in the autumn, the headlines are dominated by a string of business failures and mass redundancies, the Tories will say – as they’ve said about their catastrophic public health strategy – that they have “done well” and come up with a “world-beating” solution. If it didn’t work, that’s because of some strands of RNA and people’s fecklessness.

    Labour is right to emphasise that, to avoid a deeper slump and a long economic depression, we have to start with the handling of the virus itself. A comprehensive track-and-track operation, with a workable app, would do more to repopulate our hotels, restaurants and theatres than Sunak’’s food giveaway. We have to be prepared to impose hard local lockdowns and, if necessary, do the whole thing over again nationally, only this time early and correctly.

    Seen in this light, the government’s continual chivvying of consumers to spend, go to the pub and “eat out” looks irresponsible. The future of the economy depends on avoiding a second wave, even if that means a slower reopening leads some businesses to fail because their quarterly rent becomes due, or their credit lines expire.

    But there’s a lesson for Labour in Sunak’s gimmickry. Unless you are able to spell out a vision of where you’re going, handing out vouchers for Pizza Margherita is where you end up. What we need is not home insulation and job creation schemes priced in the low billions: it is a route map to a new and more resilient model of economic growth.

    Throwing 330bn at a frozen economy in March was not the Tories showing radicalism but bowing to necessity. Radicalism would be raising – through a combination of government borrowing, central bank intervention and wealth taxes – a similar amount, and using it to transform Britain.

    You might have hoped the Conservatives realised this when they started reading up on Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal. One of the most aptly named books about Roosevelt’s turn to state intervention and welfarism is titled A Traitor to his Class (by HW Brands). To revive an economy in which one in four adults was out of work, Roosevelt had to attack the interests of the privileged elite that he’d developed among.

    The New Deal was a redistribution of both wealth and power – and involved public investment of an order of magnitude greater than anything envisaged by the Tories. It also involved a conscious act of class warfare against financial speculation.

    Labour’s front bench clearly understand the scale of the opportunity. The Tufton Street ideology most Tories have been reared on tells them to use this moment as an opportunity for a grand shakeout of failing businesses, wage suppression, and the transfer of lucrative public contracts to private companies. But it would be madness.

    So as they effectively part-nationalise the low-budget food chains of Britain, the Tories have to keep telling themselves that this is “not communism”. And yet it is not normal – and cannot be normalised unless the UK adopts a wholly new economic regime under which growth is based on domestic demand and state-led investment, with a rising share of income going to wage earners and a falling share going to the owners of capital.

    There are literally only three people in Britain who can make that happen: Keir Starmer, Anneliese Dodds and Ed Miliband. It’s clear from the never-silent world of Labour’s Zoom-call networks that they understand this. But almost on cue, at the moment where supply and demand for radicalism start to interact, we’ve had the first shot across the bows from within the shadow cabinet against the instinct for radicalism.

    One shadow minister told Times columnist Rachel Sylvester that Starmer needs to “wipe the slate clean” of the 2019 manifesto – which would be hard to do without wiping the slate clean of the democratic processes through which it was drawn up. Another “senior Labour figure” told the same journalist that Miliband is trying to saddle the party with an anti-capitalist agenda.


    If the Tories’ turn away from austerity is genuine – and we will not know until Sunak delivers a regular budget with a non-fiction Office for Budget Responsibility report – then the space will open up for a genuine debate on economic regime change. There can be a right-wing version of the entrepreneurial state, delivering for big business and the elderly working-class Tories of northern English towns; and there can be a left-wing version, delivering a carbon-free future and a dramatic cut in living costs for the under-35s.

    What there cannot be is a successful, privatised, outsourced, low-tax, deregulated market economy. The pandemic, and its threatened waves of recurrence, makes that impossible. The need for rapid decarbonisation makes it irresponsible.

    But the lessons of every economic transformation – from David Lloyd George to Clement Attlee to Margaret Thatcher – is that you do not reach the destination unless you define it clearly in your head, explain it to your followers, and face down its opponents confidently.

    That’s the bind Sunak finds himself in. The more inconsistent modern Conservatism becomes, the glossier the photographs and typography have to be on Treasury press releases.

    Labour’s front bench is right to be wary of sounding radical – because a long list of good ideas was scorned at the polls in December. But during his leadership campaign (which I worked on) Starmer had already moved beyond this – an effects-based policy agenda focused on social justice and well-being.

    Labour has derided Sunak’s offering as “a Meal Deal, not a New Deal”. Bravo to the person who thought up that zinger. But as hundreds of thousands of jobs hang in the balance, what the people about to lose them want to know is: what is your alternative and who will pay for it? Anybody who thought Labour could get away without answering that question is going to be proved mistaken.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    I reallly like the Labour attack line of "a meal deal, not a new deal".

    A 10 meal voucher is going to do nothing except make meals cheaper for people who are already rushing out to have them, much like how a stamp duty holiday is going to do nothing except help the people who can already afford to buy a house. Much like most of the economic measures taken throughout the pandemic, it's all aimed squarely at nice middle class Tory voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    I reallly like the Labour attack line of "a meal deal, not a new deal".

    A 10 meal voucher is going to do nothing except make meals cheaper for people who are already rushing out to have them, much like how a stamp duty holiday is going to do nothing except help the people who can already afford to buy a house. Much like most of the economic measures taken throughout the pandemic, it's all aimed squarely at nice middle class Tory voters.
    Can't even Tory right, can they? Our Conservatives are handing out a free $25,000 to anyone spending over $125,000 on a home renovation and we all know who that's aimed squarely at...

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    Rishi's just hoping that eating out will make up for a weak pound.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
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    dunno where to put this, but it starts with a UK segment
    "It's amazing how much protection this man gets in his home country, just because he's a prince."
    A strong early contender for most stupid thing I've heard this quarter.
    Krystal and Saagar currently lead Fox in my terrible shit that I'll never get the time back for. At least you can laugh at Fox. You just feel sorry for these two.
    meh

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    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Last edited by teds :D; July 9 2020 at 02:33:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    The way to support those people is to pay their wages rather than force them to work during a pandemic (which aside from the personal risk, increases the likelihood of a second wave).

    The way to support the sector generally is by things like rent holidays and cancelling business rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Yeah but a tenner isn't going to make people who otherwise couldn't afford to eat out go yeah let's get the kids and pile into Nando's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Cheaper meals doesn't help get people through the doors if there's nowhere for them to sit. For restaurants being forced to operate at 25% of their usual capacity this won't help much. It might help incentivise midweek rather than weekend meals, but mostly what it's going to do is just send a big ol' subsidy into the pockets of people who can already afford to go for a midweek restaurant meal and who would almost certainly have done so anyway.

    However most people I know have gone "ooh that means we can go for boozy tapas for only 20 a head, isn't Rishi such a clever boy?"

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    Boots has announced that it's closing 50 of it opticians.

    Presumably they think that there will be less demand for eye tests now that people realise that a drive to a local tourist attraction works just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post

    He's not attacking "pretend Jews"

    He's attacking actual Jews by describing them as only pretenders.

    And shame on you for defending him.
    Its really rather a nonsensical phrase, there is really nothing to defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    might also be to help support the restaurant sector which employs A LOT of people both directly and indirectly who have had some of their best months without income...
    Yeah but a tenner isn't going to make people who otherwise couldn't afford to eat out go yeah let's get the kids and pile into Nando's.
    yes it is, do you follow normal people on twitter or facebook?

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