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    Local election results so far:

    The Tories are down 396 seats, Labour are down 79, Lib Dems and Greens are both up.

    Labour now control more councils than the Tories.

    Interestingly, a lot of the Labour losses seem to be in heavy Leave areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Interestingly, a lot of the Labour losses seem to be in heavy Leave areas.
    Brexit voters disenfranchised non-shocker, the traditional conservative vote may well will get split heavily in the euro elections too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarminic View Post
    Just for the record, "sending a needy text" is never the right answer.

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    Boris Johnson on top form tweeting that he had just voted in council elections.

    The tweet was deleted when he was informed there were no council elections in London.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Boris Johnson on top form tweeting that he had just voted in council elections.

    The tweet was deleted when he was informed there were no council elections in London.
    Classic Johnson scenes, Jeff.

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    Curious to see what turnout will be. I didn't vote.

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    Tory losses are now up to 442.

    The last time they lost 500 seats in a night was 1996.

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    You're barmy, they said. Labour fudging their Brexit position won't make a damn difference in the local elections. You're a crypto-Tory and Blairite for even suggesting such a thing!

    Tories (clear pro-Brexit): -426
    Labour (no one knows, currrently enabling Tory Brexit): -58
    Lib Dem (clear remain): +293
    Green (clear remain): +40

    And counting ...

    How's the fence sitting working out now, eh?

    Another election Corbyn isn't going to win.

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    Apparently "we like Brexit too!" isnt exactly garnering results for Labour too. And to top it all off, they're reading a surge in anti-Brexit parties as people telling them they want Brexit done. I'm astonished anybody can possibly interpret Labour as anything but a Leave party now, but cognitive dissonance is a thing, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    Apparently "we like Brexit too!" isnt exactly garnering results for Labour too. And to top it all off, they're reading a surge in anti-Brexit parties as people telling them they want Brexit done. I'm astonished anybody can possibly interpret Labour as anything but a Leave party now, but cognitive dissonance is a thing, apparently.
    You may recall Labour whipping in favour of a second referendum not so long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    You may recall Labour whipping in favour of a second referendum not so long ago.
    Ignoring how much that whip is actually worth, they're clearly angling to avoid a referendum if they get a deal that's remotely acceptable to their leadership.

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    Lots of libdem gains in places previously voting libdem, not much correlation with leave/remain votes. Libdems have always done well when campaigning on local issues, could be that voters are sick of brexit and localism has been winning.

    No idea what it says about Labour and remain tbh
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Local elections tend to give the establishment a kicking and the opposition a boost, localism is only ever part of the answer. Last time these seats were contested, Labour lost 200 seats in light of the bad 2015 outcome, to go backwards from that is rather damning.

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    Really? They lost control of Wirral and Hartlepool, FFS. Labour even managed to lose control in Bolsover. Bolsover for crying out loud. It's supposedly a Labour stronghold! It's bloody Dennis Skinner's backyard! Labour -13, Tory +2 (!), Lib Dem +1, Independents +10 (!).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Lots of libdem gains in places previously voting libdem, not much correlation with leave/remain votes. Libdems have always done well when campaigning on local issues, could be that voters are sick of brexit and localism has been winning.
    The lib dems round my way, where they've taken the ward from labour, campaigned hard on brexit as part of a broader campaign that talked about protecting the rights of your local EU citizens and protecting your local services that probably employ thousands of EU citizens. It's a FOGB elephant in the room, you can't ignore it. Constructive ambiguity goes down like a lead balloon with remainers and leavers both, hence the loss of fucking Bolsover of all places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Interestingly, a lot of the Labour losses seem to be in heavy Leave areas.
    :thinking emoji:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Really? They lost control of Wirral and Hartlepool, FFS. Labour even managed to lose control in Bolsover. Bolsover for crying out loud. It's supposedly a Labour stronghold! It's bloody Dennis Skinner's backyard! Labour -13, Tory +2 (!), Lib Dem +1, Independents +10 (!).
    And how did Bolsover vote in the referendum?

    Answer: 70.8% voted to leave.

    Do you genuinely believe that Labour would have held on to seats and councils in leave-voting areas had they been solidly anti-Brexit?
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    I don't. As I said a couple of days ago:

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    They've already shed those votes.
    And they're not getting them back for a good few years. The real risk is they lose all the other votes as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    And how did Wirral, Hartlepool, and Bolsover vote in the referendum?

    Do you genuinely believe that Labour would have held on to seats and councils in leave-voting areas had they been solidly anti-Brexit?
    They lost them with a Leave policy and gave up potential gains in Remain areas. They're a shitty no man's land of a party right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Tory losses are now up to 442.

    The last time they lost 500 seats in a night was 1996.
    You keep focusing on how Torys are doing instead of how labour is performing. All i see is 2 biggest parties losing.


    

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