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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    If he dies: constitutional crisis and the next cunt in line gets the job.

    If he lives: will never be able to justify findings cuts for the NHS in the future because it saves his life.

    Easy choice. I'm sure there's some bloo bloo about a child but when the fuck have the tories ever cared about anyone else's?
    Actually, this will make it easier for him to dismember the NHS.

    "Nobody loves the NHS more than me, after all it saved my life. And that's why I wouldn't sell 40 hospitals to Branson for 3.50 each unless I firmly believed it was in the best interests of our wonderful heathcare system."

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    #clapforboris is currently trending on Twitter. Not sure if it's about people showing their support for him, or if the doctors are now treating him for an STD as well.

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    Meanwhile, back at Labour...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Germany has more infected than the UK. Guess Merkel has blood on her hands too right?
    We have 83 million inhabitants. The UK has 66 million.
    We have 103 thousand infected. The UK has 52 thousand infected.
    We have 1810 dead. The UK has 5300 dead. (at the time of this post, according to Johns Hopkins University)
    We have tested 918 thousand people. The UK has tested 195 thousand people (as of April 5th, statista.com)

    We have more infected because we tested five times more. We have more infected because we are more people. And yet we have far far less dead.

    Boris fucked this up.

    I don't hope he dies. Far from it. But that is as much sympathy as he gets right now, tbh.
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    Ill be the chap who says fuck it, i dont give the slightest of shits if Boris lives or dies. Ill take the death simply for the entertainment factor. Im sure his kids and wife and girlfriends and half kids and not yet admitted kids would all be better off without him too tbh.

    Now is not the time for playing nice, comrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Germany has more infected than the UK. Guess Merkel has blood on her hands too right?
    We have 83 million inhabitants. The UK has 66 million.
    We have 103 thousand infected. The UK has 52 thousand infected.
    We have 1810 dead. The UK has 5300 dead. (at the time of this post, according to Johns Hopkins University)
    We have tested 918 thousand people. The UK has tested 195 thousand people (as of April 5th, statista.com)

    We have more infected because we tested five times more. We have more infected because we are more people. And yet we have far far less dead.

    Boris fucked this up.

    I don't hope he dies. Far from it. But that is as much sympathy as he gets right now, tbh.
    Joe used facts against Meester

    It's not very effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Ill be the chap who says fuck it, i dont give the slightest of shits if Boris lives or dies. Ill take the death simply for the entertainment factor. Im sure his kids and wife and girlfriends and half kids and not yet admitted kids would all be better off without him too tbh.

    Now is not the time for playing nice, comrades.
    This, he's a cunt. Good riddance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Germany has more infected than the UK. Guess Merkel has blood on her hands too right?
    We have 83 million inhabitants. The UK has 66 million.
    We have 103 thousand infected. The UK has 52 thousand infected.
    We have 1810 dead. The UK has 5300 dead. (at the time of this post, according to Johns Hopkins University)
    We have tested 918 thousand people. The UK has tested 195 thousand people (as of April 5th, statista.com)

    We have more infected because we tested five times more. We have more infected because we are more people. And yet we have far far less dead.

    Boris fucked this up.

    I don't hope he dies. Far from it. But that is as much sympathy as he gets right now, tbh.
    Joe used facts against Meester

    It's not very effective
    I know. But maybe it helps others. A thing one should have learned from history: don't ever let extremist idiots be unchallenged in debate. Not because you can convince them, but because you can stop others from following them.

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    To be honest it's none of your business how we choose to get rid of the Tory leadership. If this is what it takes, then we will shoulder the burden knowing it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    alternatively,

    he's a son/father/fiancee/father to be and probably a friend to someone, and the political leader of the country, at maybe the most unstable time in the countries history since WW2.

    it is desperately sad for anyone to die (globally, let alone the UK) from this - but ignoring the politics of the man, which i don't particularly care for, he is one of the very few people (up there with the queen) that the country could probably not do without them dying right now.

    so perhaps, the irony or schadenfreude about his health could wait until a few weeks time when either he is a) dead, b) not dead or c) we're somewhat through this.
    But he's contributing to herd immunity!

    Remember that phrase? Tory for "let the old and sick die off"?

    They were literally hoping that Covid would do its thing while they did nothing and now their own arrogance and callous cruelty has seen their mascot get seriously ill from it.

    Their literal and publically stated plan was that people like my dad died off while the healthy and productive remained. Can you explain why I wouldn't see them as a direct threat to my family, and to give no fucks at all if they die drowning in their own lungs?
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    this is what decorum and norms fetishization looks like.

    "Boris Johnson argued for letting thousands die and enacted policies that will likely have that outcome, but because he's now sick himself we should be respectful of him!"
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    I'd like him to live so that he can witness his vision of Boris Johnson Prime Ministerial life consisting of Berlusconi-style mansion orgies, Boris bridges and statues enshrining his glory for eternity evaporate in the most humiliating way possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Meanwhile, back at Labour...

    Between this and the Shadow Minister for Karen crack I really have no idea what's going on with the red rose twitter brigade. Has she been up to something the rest of us have missed? Or are the outriders just harassing her for a laugh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    this is what decorum and norms fetishization looks like.

    "Boris Johnson argued for letting thousands die and enacted policies that will likely have that outcome, but because he's now sick himself we should be respectful of him!"
    Yes, that is exactly how being a normal human being works. You don't sink to the level of people you disagree with. You hold yourself to your own standards, which for most functioning adults involves not being pleased about the death of another human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    this is what decorum and norms fetishization looks like.

    "Boris Johnson argued for letting thousands die and enacted policies that will likely have that outcome, but because he's now sick himself we should be respectful of him!"
    Yes, that is exactly how being a normal human being works. You don't sink to the level of people you disagree with. You hold yourself to your own standards, which for most functioning adults involves not being pleased about the death of another human being.
    "When they go low we go high" - The mantra of someone who always won against the right...

    The sentiment is right from a moral stand point, but frankly history tells us it doesn't matter either way.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    Except Boris and his government who spent the first week pushing a herd immunity narrative against the advice of literally everyone.
    The insane thing about this herd immunity lark is that it all started from a slight mis-speak from Vallance. Herd immunity is the target outcome for every nation, and leveraging partial herd immunity is likewise a technique every nation will use to manage the phased return to normalcy. Vallance is an utterly incapable communicator, so this nuance was missed. This was amplified by that following weekend being dominated by news reports you can trace back to "ministerial sources" - we've still got ministers briefing against each other in the press, and the press still leading on those stories.

    The real major error in the response was mixing messages and choosing not to enforce the lockdown. It took seven days for Boris to go from literally scoffing at the idea of using police to enforce a lockdown - how dare anyone suggest we violate the tenets of liberal democracy in such a way - to him actually cottoning on to the fact that mere suggestions aren't enough to get people to fundamentally change the way they live their lives. There's a good chance that seven day gap, plus all the dithering around it, is likely to have cost a couple of thousand lives. There's also a good chance that in the rest of the country - outside London parts of the West Midlands, we've gotten rather lucky.

    The Imperial 30th March report covers this is in fine detail. We actually pulled the trigger on social distancing regs within a day of most of the rest of europe (pp 5), but took until the 25th to actually enforce that with a public events ban and shutting down businesses. That's where the cost will be, particularly in London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Germany has more infected than the UK. Guess Merkel has blood on her hands too right?
    We have 83 million inhabitants. The UK has 66 million.
    We have 103 thousand infected. The UK has 52 thousand infected.
    We have 1810 dead. The UK has 5300 dead. (at the time of this post, according to Johns Hopkins University)
    We have tested 918 thousand people. The UK has tested 195 thousand people (as of April 5th, statista.com)

    We have more infected because we tested five times more. We have more infected because we are more people. And yet we have far far less dead.

    Boris fucked this up.

    I don't hope he dies. Far from it. But that is as much sympathy as he gets right now, tbh.
    Sorry, minor fact check here. Last week's modeling (linked above) indicates around 0.7% of the German population is infected, versus around 2.7% of the British population. You don't have more cases, you have far, far fewer. You have more tests. The UK's death rate, factoring in likely actual case spread, is actually doing pretty well, but it's also too early to say for sure because it takes up to 3 weeks for outcomes of infections to show in the stats. As I posted yesterday there is some variation in the evolution of the German death rate, but we can't say for sure what is driving that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    Except Boris and his government who spent the first week pushing a herd immunity narrative against the advice of literally everyone.
    The insane thing about this herd immunity lark is that it all started from a slight mis-speak from Vallance. Herd immunity is the target outcome for every nation, and leveraging partial herd immunity is likewise a technique every nation will use to manage the phased return to normalcy. Vallance is an utterly incapable communicator, so this nuance was missed. This was amplified by that following weekend being dominated by news reports you can trace back to "ministerial sources" - we've still got ministers briefing against each other in the press, and the press still leading on those stories.

    The real major error in the response was mixing messages and choosing not to enforce the lockdown. It took seven days for Boris to go from literally scoffing at the idea of using police to enforce a lockdown - how dare anyone suggest we violate the tenets of liberal democracy in such a way - to him actually cottoning on to the fact that mere suggestions aren't enough to get people to fundamentally change the way they live their lives. There's a good chance that seven day gap, plus all the dithering around it, is likely to have cost a couple of thousand lives. There's also a good chance that in the rest of the country - outside London parts of the West Midlands, we've gotten rather lucky.

    The Imperial 30th March report covers this is in fine detail. We actually pulled the trigger on social distancing regs within a day of most of the rest of europe (pp 5), but took until the 25th to actually enforce that with a public events ban and shutting down businesses. That's where the cost will be, particularly in London.
    That's not fair to Vallance. Johnson himself was on breakfast TV suggesting that we should 'take it on the chin'.

    And fair play, he's following his own strategy.

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    Johnson was also part of the governments over the past decade which have underfunded the NHS and treated health workers like shit.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    Except Boris and his government who spent the first week pushing a herd immunity narrative against the advice of literally everyone.
    The insane thing about this herd immunity lark is that it all started from a slight mis-speak from Vallance. Herd immunity is the target outcome for every nation, and leveraging partial herd immunity is likewise a technique every nation will use to manage the phased return to normalcy. Vallance is an utterly incapable communicator, so this nuance was missed. This was amplified by that following weekend being dominated by news reports you can trace back to "ministerial sources" - we've still got ministers briefing against each other in the press, and the press still leading on those stories.

    The real major error in the response was mixing messages and choosing not to enforce the lockdown. It took seven days for Boris to go from literally scoffing at the idea of using police to enforce a lockdown - how dare anyone suggest we violate the tenets of liberal democracy in such a way - to him actually cottoning on to the fact that mere suggestions aren't enough to get people to fundamentally change the way they live their lives. There's a good chance that seven day gap, plus all the dithering around it, is likely to have cost a couple of thousand lives. There's also a good chance that in the rest of the country - outside London parts of the West Midlands, we've gotten rather lucky.

    The Imperial 30th March report covers this is in fine detail. We actually pulled the trigger on social distancing regs within a day of most of the rest of europe (pp 5), but took until the 25th to actually enforce that with a public events ban and shutting down businesses. That's where the cost will be, particularly in London.
    That's not fair to Vallance. Johnson himself was on breakfast TV suggesting that we should 'take it on the chin'.

    And fair play, he's following his own strategy.
    He didn't suggest that at all... but let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative.


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