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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    No, you just sit around hurling abuse.
    Pretty rich for someone doing nothing but that at Labor or anyone remotely supporting them for pages on end.

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    After 10 years of debilitating austerity, massive incompetence on show in how Brexit was handled, and having 'a buffoon' as a leader of the Tory party, this was Labour's election to win.

    Instead they've blown this opportunity on an even more idiotic Brexit stance, Corbyn cultism, and antisemitism. Well done.

    Excellent effort trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory though. Tops even the efforts of the Scottish national football team (which usually sets the standard).

    Shame the rest of the country is now fucked as well ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    YouGov's Magical, Radical Projection has been published.

    Those still firmly on Team Corbyn may want to establish their reasons why this model isn't to be trusted before they continue scrolling, lest their faith be overly tested.
    There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I want to happen. It seems certain that the Tories will be the largest party and likely that they will have a majority.

    But I still want (and will work for) a Labour victory. Even accepting all of Jeremy's faults, he isn't as bad as Boris. And cheap digs at 'Broadband Communism' aside, who would prefer to see the Tory manifesto enacted over the Labour one?

    elmicker, many of your comments are smart, some of them are knowledgeable, but you seem to be someone who claims to be progressive, but spends most of their time sniping at the left. We are 2 weeks away from an election, who are you going to vote for? Who do you want as the next PM? (given that there are only 2 choices).
    Nicola Sturgeon. In an independent Scotland, as far removed from England as is organisationally possible.

    (BTW, YouGov has 8 Tories retaining their seat above borders. I don't see that happening ... if they'll be able to retain even a single seat, they can count themselves lucky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    No, you just sit around hurling abuse.
    Pretty rich for someone doing nothing but that at Labor or anyone remotely supporting them for pages on end.
    The big difference is that I didn't make a post asking "why are you like this?" Additionally, I tend to keep my criticism (abuse if you want to call it that) mostly targeted at the party, whereas you seem to want to just come in and shit on anyone with opinions different from your own.

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    You know what? I'll be 'constructive', and give Labour a winning mid-election campaign strategy. Granted, it won't give them a majority, but it will prevent a Tory majority, and with pinky (Corbyn) and the brain (Milne) running the show, a hung parliament is the best Labour can hope for as it is. Sure, it'll be painful, but these things always are. But it'll be good for the country, and in the end that's the only thing that should matter (emphasis on should).

    Here it is: Corbyn pledges to stand down as leader of the Labour party the day after the election if it doesn't win a majority in this election, and instead nominates, say, Keir Starmer (why hasn't he been used more often in this campaign?), to replace him as PM in a caretaker coalition government.

    Keir then immediately apologises to the Jews, appoints Milliband (or Watson?) as anti-anti-semitism czar within the party, and pledges to work with the SNP, the Lib Dems, and everyone else not Tory to bring about a people's vote on Brexit (remain on the ticket) as soon as possible. Labour leadership election after Brexit is off the table, Keir can still stand. If not Keir, new elections.

    That's it.

    Let's face it, no one wants 'the buffoon' Boris as PM, but no one wants to replace him with 'the red man' Corbyn either. Putting magic grandpa back on his allotment the day after the election leaves the voters with just 'the buffoon', and the Tories without a majority on the 13th. And let's be honest: Corbyn is the problem for Labour, and he is on his way out as it is (and looks like it as well).

    Done. Country saved from the Tory/Boris/Brexit disaster, and it only cost the Labour party one Corbyn (and his clique). Small price to pay.

    Ofcourse this will never happen. Because the Corbyn/Milne clique don't give a shit about what's good for the country. For them party politics trumps all, even if it destroys the party in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anybody capable of understanding a simple analysis of societal structure can see the BBC has a rational pro-establishment bias.
    The other week the "...and finally"at the end of BBC radio 4 news at 10 was "Queen has announced that she will no longer purchase new fur garments." Did mention there was no comment on her wearing already owned fur.

    No analysis of why a 90 year old owner of thousands of fur garments had the temerity to announce she didn't need any new ones any more, no comment from the announcer in absolute incredulous shock that such fucking establishment quaint nonsense gets air time. Nothing. Just another normal "queen does absolutely fuck all, frame it as a positive news story" BBC scene.

    Now that is pro-establishment news reporting imo. Queen wipes arse; nation rejoices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    You know what? I'll be 'constructive', and give Labour a winning mid-election campaign strategy. Granted, it won't give them a majority, but it will prevent a Tory majority, and with pinky (Corbyn) and the brain (Milne) running the show, a hung parliament is the best Labour can hope for as it is. Sure, it'll be painful, but these things always are. But it'll be good for the country, and in the end that's the only thing that should matter (emphasis on should).

    Here it is: Corbyn pledges to stand down as leader of the Labour party the day after the election if it doesn't win a majority in this election, and instead nominates, say, Keith Starmer (why hasn't he been used more often in this campaign?), to replace him as PM in a caretaker coalition government.

    Keith then immediately apologises to the Jews, appoints Milliband (or Watson?) as anti-anti-semitism czar within the party, and pledges to work with the SNP, the Lib Dems, and everyone else not Tory to bring about a people's vote on Brexit (remain on the ticket) as soon as possible. Labour leadership election after Brexit is off the table, Keith can still stand. If not Keith, new elections.

    That's it.

    Let's face it, no one wants 'the buffoon' Boris as PM, but no one wants to replace him with 'the red man' Corbyn either. Putting magic grandpa back on his allotment the day after the election leaves the voters with just 'the buffoon', and the Tories without a majority on the 13th. And let's be honest: Corbyn is the problem for Labour, and he is on his way out as it is (and looks like it as well).

    Done. Country saved from the Tory/Boris/Brexit disaster, and it only cost the Labour party one Corbyn (and his clique). Small price to pay.

    Ofcourse this will never happen. Because the Corbyn/Milne clique don't give a shit about what's good for the country. For them party politics trumps all, even if it destroys the party in the process.
    I hope it was just autocorrect, but the fact that your proposed white knight doesn't even have the name recognition for you to get his name correct, undermines the plan a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anybody capable of understanding a simple analysis of societal structure can see the BBC has a rational pro-establishment bias.
    The other week the "...and finally"at the end of BBC radio 4 news at 10 was "Queen has announced that she will no longer purchase new fur garments." Did mention there was no comment on her wearing already owned fur.

    No analysis of why a 90 year old owner of thousands of fur garments had the temerity to announce she didn't need any new ones any more, no comment from the announcer in absolute incredulous shock that such fucking establishment quaint nonsense gets air time. Nothing. Just another normal "queen does absolutely fuck all, frame it as a positive news story" BBC scene.

    Now that is pro-establishment news reporting imo. Queen wipes arse; nation rejoices
    Yes, and? We've known this for decades. It has always been slanted towards not slagging off the ruling party and never ever saying something critical about the royals. You think Blair or Milliband had it any better?

    Stop blaming the BBC and media for the Labour party having a Corbyn problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anybody capable of understanding a simple analysis of societal structure can see the BBC has a rational pro-establishment bias.
    The other week the "...and finally"at the end of BBC radio 4 news at 10 was "Queen has announced that she will no longer purchase new fur garments." Did mention there was no comment on her wearing already owned fur.

    No analysis of why a 90 year old owner of thousands of fur garments had the temerity to announce she didn't need any new ones any more, no comment from the announcer in absolute incredulous shock that such fucking establishment quaint nonsense gets air time. Nothing. Just another normal "queen does absolutely fuck all, frame it as a positive news story" BBC scene.

    Now that is pro-establishment news reporting imo. Queen wipes arse; nation rejoices

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    You know what? I'll be 'constructive', and give Labour a winning mid-election campaign strategy. Granted, it won't give them a majority, but it will prevent a Tory majority, and with pinky (Corbyn) and the brain (Milne) running the show, a hung parliament is the best Labour can hope for as it is. Sure, it'll be painful, but these things always are. But it'll be good for the country, and in the end that's the only thing that should matter (emphasis on should).

    Here it is: Corbyn pledges to stand down as leader of the Labour party the day after the election if it doesn't win a majority in this election, and instead nominates, say, Keith Starmer (why hasn't he been used more often in this campaign?), to replace him as PM in a caretaker coalition government.

    Keith then immediately apologises to the Jews, appoints Milliband (or Watson?) as anti-anti-semitism czar within the party, and pledges to work with the SNP, the Lib Dems, and everyone else not Tory to bring about a people's vote on Brexit (remain on the ticket) as soon as possible. Labour leadership election after Brexit is off the table, Keith can still stand. If not Keith, new elections.

    That's it.

    Let's face it, no one wants 'the buffoon' Boris as PM, but no one wants to replace him with 'the red man' Corbyn either. Putting magic grandpa back on his allotment the day after the election leaves the voters with just 'the buffoon', and the Tories without a majority on the 13th. And let's be honest: Corbyn is the problem for Labour, and he is on his way out as it is (and looks like it as well).

    Done. Country saved from the Tory/Boris/Brexit disaster, and it only cost the Labour party one Corbyn (and his clique). Small price to pay.

    Ofcourse this will never happen. Because the Corbyn/Milne clique don't give a shit about what's good for the country. For them party politics trumps all, even if it destroys the party in the process.
    I hope it was just autocorrect, but the fact that your proposed white knight doesn't even have the name recognition for you to get his name correct, undermines the plan a bit.
    Keir, Keith, what difference does it make? Right now Corbyn has the name recognition, but it's all negative for Labour, so what's the point?

    Corbyn is the problem Labour is tanking. Take out the problem and they may still have a shot. Don't the party and the country is fucked. So ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    an even more idiotic Brexit stance
    A second referendum is literally what you've been asking for for the last 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anybody capable of understanding a simple analysis of societal structure can see the BBC has a rational pro-establishment bias.
    The other week the "...and finally"at the end of BBC radio 4 news at 10 was "Queen has announced that she will no longer purchase new fur garments." Did mention there was no comment on her wearing already owned fur.

    No analysis of why a 90 year old owner of thousands of fur garments had the temerity to announce she didn't need any new ones any more, no comment from the announcer in absolute incredulous shock that such fucking establishment quaint nonsense gets air time. Nothing. Just another normal "queen does absolutely fuck all, frame it as a positive news story" BBC scene.

    Now that is pro-establishment news reporting imo. Queen wipes arse; nation rejoices
    Yes, and? We've known this for decades. It has always been slanted towards not slagging off the ruling party and never ever saying something critical about the royals. You think Blair or Milliband had it any better?

    Stop blaming the BBC and media for the Labour party having a Corbyn problem.
    Blair jumped into bed with Murdoch - so yes, he did have it better.

    Miliband did have it bad, I'll give you that. And he lost the 2015 election as a result.

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    Anybody backing Leveson 2 is going to have it bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    an even more idiotic Brexit stance
    A second referendum is literally what you've been asking for for the last 3 years.
    In which Corbyn will apparently be 'neutral'. I guess they'll decide the position of the party by a show of hands again.

    Do you yourself even take this nonsense seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    YouGov's Magical, Radical Projection has been published.

    Those still firmly on Team Corbyn may want to establish their reasons why this model isn't to be trusted before they continue scrolling, lest their faith be overly tested.
    There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I want to happen. It seems certain that the Tories will be the largest party and likely that they will have a majority.

    But I still want (and will work for) a Labour victory. Even accepting all of Jeremy's faults, he isn't as bad as Boris. And cheap digs at 'Broadband Communism' aside, who would prefer to see the Tory manifesto enacted over the Labour one?

    elmicker, many of your comments are smart, some of them are knowledgeable, but you seem to be someone who claims to be progressive, but spends most of their time sniping at the left. We are 2 weeks away from an election, who are you going to vote for? Who do you want as the next PM? (given that there are only 2 choices).
    Nicola Sturgeon. In an independent Scotland, as far removed from England as is organisationally possible.

    (BTW, YouGov has 8 Tories retaining their seat above borders. I don't see that happening ... if they'll be able to retain even a single seat, they can count themselves lucky)
    hahahahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    YouGov's Magical, Radical Projection has been published.

    Those still firmly on Team Corbyn may want to establish their reasons why this model isn't to be trusted before they continue scrolling, lest their faith be overly tested.
    There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I want to happen. It seems certain that the Tories will be the largest party and likely that they will have a majority.

    But I still want (and will work for) a Labour victory. Even accepting all of Jeremy's faults, he isn't as bad as Boris. And cheap digs at 'Broadband Communism' aside, who would prefer to see the Tory manifesto enacted over the Labour one?

    elmicker, many of your comments are smart, some of them are knowledgeable, but you seem to be someone who claims to be progressive, but spends most of their time sniping at the left. We are 2 weeks away from an election, who are you going to vote for? Who do you want as the next PM? (given that there are only 2 choices).
    Nicola Sturgeon. In an independent Scotland, as far removed from England as is organisationally possible.

    (BTW, YouGov has 8 Tories retaining their seat above borders. I don't see that happening ... if they'll be able to retain even a single seat, they can count themselves lucky)
    hahahahahah
    As things stand, I'll take membership of the EU over the union 5 days a week, and twice on the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    YouGov's Magical, Radical Projection has been published.

    Those still firmly on Team Corbyn may want to establish their reasons why this model isn't to be trusted before they continue scrolling, lest their faith be overly tested.
    There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I want to happen. It seems certain that the Tories will be the largest party and likely that they will have a majority.

    But I still want (and will work for) a Labour victory. Even accepting all of Jeremy's faults, he isn't as bad as Boris. And cheap digs at 'Broadband Communism' aside, who would prefer to see the Tory manifesto enacted over the Labour one?

    elmicker, many of your comments are smart, some of them are knowledgeable, but you seem to be someone who claims to be progressive, but spends most of their time sniping at the left. We are 2 weeks away from an election, who are you going to vote for? Who do you want as the next PM? (given that there are only 2 choices).
    Nicola Sturgeon. In an independent Scotland, as far removed from England as is organisationally possible.

    (BTW, YouGov has 8 Tories retaining their seat above borders. I don't see that happening ... if they'll be able to retain even a single seat, they can count themselves lucky)
    hahahahahah
    As things stand, I'll take membership of the EU over the union 5 days a week, and twice on the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    YouGov's Magical, Radical Projection has been published.

    Those still firmly on Team Corbyn may want to establish their reasons why this model isn't to be trusted before they continue scrolling, lest their faith be overly tested.
    There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I want to happen. It seems certain that the Tories will be the largest party and likely that they will have a majority.

    But I still want (and will work for) a Labour victory. Even accepting all of Jeremy's faults, he isn't as bad as Boris. And cheap digs at 'Broadband Communism' aside, who would prefer to see the Tory manifesto enacted over the Labour one?

    elmicker, many of your comments are smart, some of them are knowledgeable, but you seem to be someone who claims to be progressive, but spends most of their time sniping at the left. We are 2 weeks away from an election, who are you going to vote for? Who do you want as the next PM? (given that there are only 2 choices).
    Nicola Sturgeon. In an independent Scotland, as far removed from England as is organisationally possible.

    (BTW, YouGov has 8 Tories retaining their seat above borders. I don't see that happening ... if they'll be able to retain even a single seat, they can count themselves lucky)
    hahahahahah
    As things stand, I'll take membership of the EU over the union 5 days a week, and twice on the weekend.
    It will be so funny when the economic reality of independence hits home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    an even more idiotic Brexit stance
    A second referendum is literally what you've been asking for for the last 3 years.
    In which Corbyn will apparently be 'neutral'. I guess they'll decide the position of the party by a show of hands again.
    Because being explicitly pro-Remain is working out so well for Jo Swinson.

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