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    If you are left wing, Boris clinging desperately on in a series of increasingly acrobatic dodges is basically the best thing that could happen right now. The longer the better!

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    The longer it goes on the longer they have to pick a new messiah and sweeten the pill with enough horseshit that it'll be swallowed. If you're thinking 'yeah, but they don't have anyone fit for purpose waiting in the wings right now', I would point out that that has been the case for the last 3 Prime ministers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    I'm quite enjoying his slow drawn outdeath as every week he's leader is another nail in the Tory party.
    Opposition: "Another scandal! Johnson won't be able to recover from this one! He's got no room to wiggle--"

    Johnson: (wiggles his way out of the situation rather easily)

    Opposition: shockedpikachu.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    The longer it goes on the longer they have to pick a new messiah and sweeten the pill with enough horseshit that it'll be swallowed. If you're thinking 'yeah, but they don't have anyone fit for purpose waiting in the wings right now', I would point out that that has been the case for the last 3 Prime ministers.
    The media barons have had plenty of time to choose their preferred successor
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    I also think it's a mistake to think the shadow figures pulling the strings behind the scenes have any long term strategy. It's reactionary turtles all the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    I'm quite enjoying his slow drawn outdeath as every week he's leader is another nail in the Tory party.
    Opposition: "Another scandal! Johnson won't be able to recover from this one! He's got no room to wiggle--"

    Johnson: (wiggles his way out of the situation rather easily)

    Opposition: shockedpikachu.jpg
    Opposition/general public: "Well ok then. Moving on..." is probably also likely. Now, this is not particularly UK politics only. And I have no science to back this up but overall it feels that this is more and more becoming standard operations for politicians and other public figures.
    They do something bad, that in the "old days" wouldve meant they either went by themselves or got "fired" from the pressure. These days they just go "Erm...No." And it fucking works!!!

    It feels we've gone from people getting canned for "nothing" (which in plenty of cases was too harsh) to them getting away with murder.
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    Sue gray "16 parties, 4 below threshold for police investigation."

    Metropolitan Police "Investigating 8 parties"

    I wonder how this discrepancy is explained.

    Edit: it's parties on 8 dates being investigated, 12 in total. Because Lol multiple parties on the same day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    Sue gray "16 parties, 4 below threshold for police investigation."

    Metropolitan Police "Investigating 8 parties"

    I wonder how this discrepancy is explained.
    Queen was present in 4 parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    Edit: it's parties on 8 dates being investigated, 12 in total. Because Lol multiple parties on the same day.
    After the party it's the after-party

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    Tory MPs had a closed session after the report session in the commons and apparently it was clear from the mood that Boris had successfully dodged.

    The strategy appears to be: apologise and take action now, when the allegations against him are still wishy washy (thanks Sue, thanks Cressida). Have the police take a long time over their investigation to allow the news cycle to move on. Eventually have the police give penalty notices to some underlings - perhaps as senior as Martyn Renolds. Sue's report finally comes out and is just more of the wishy washy same but sets up Reynolds to take the fall. Doesn't implicate Boris nor really address what he knew or should have known, at most criticising him for naiively following the recommendations of his senior aides when he should have intervened. Reynolds will then resign for his 'failure of leadership'. Boris will then claim he never misled the house deliberately but was misled by Reynolds and apologise. He will restate that he has implemented all of Sue's recommendations already and considers the matter closed.

    Con +3

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    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Boris Johnson accused of manifesto ‘breach’ over EU regional funding
    Devolved nations and English regions say government not matching billions in development finance
    https://www.ft.com/content/84020f49-...e-e0f069c88afe

    Boris Johnson’s government is being accused of a “straightforward breach” of its election manifesto promise to match billions of pounds worth of EU development funding for UK nations and regions after Brexit.

    The government pledged in its 2019 election manifesto that a new Shared Prosperity Fund would “at a minimum” match the £1.5bn a year in EU regional funds that was returned to the UK from its EU membership contributions, and “reaffirmed” that commitment in last October’s Budget. These “EU structural funds” were designed to support economic development and reduce regional inequalities, particularly through investment in small businesses, skills and innovation, the green economy and other infrastructure projects. However, the devolved administrations and some English regional authorities say they face being left hundreds of millions of pounds out of pocket after the government unveiled a fund worth an average of £870mn a year over the next three years.

    The Welsh government said that its calculations found that Wales would be “close to £1bn” worse off over the next three years, comprising £750mn in “lost” structural funds and £242mn in support for farmers. “It’s a straightforward breach of the manifesto pledge,” said Vaughan Gething, the Welsh economy minister in an interview with the Financial Times, adding that sports and apprenticeship programmes were facing real-terms cuts as a result. Scotland’s governing Scottish National party said a reduction to the EU structural funds would hit “key projects and communities”. Scotland should not receive “one penny less” than under EU membership, said Alison Thewliss, an SNP MP and Treasury spokesperson. In Northern Ireland, the loss of EU funding could amount to £65mn a year, according to official presentations to a Stormont budget committee hearing this month, which also estimated losses of up to 6,000 jobs and more than £500mn in investment. English regions are also facing cuts, according to analysis commissioned for the Northern Powerhouse Partnership, a regional economic lobby group, which found that funding in areas such as Teesside and Leeds could fall by up to 50 per cent.

    Henri Murison, director of the partnership, said the figures exposed “the gap between rhetoric and reality”, accusing the government of “broken promises” on retaining regional investment post-Brexit. “Many of the places that stand to lose out the most under the current funding formula are the ones most in need of serious investment.” The Shared Prosperity Fund is set to launch in April, with the government committing £400mn this year, rising to £700mn in 2023-24 and finally to £1.5bn in the final year of the spending review in 2024-25. These funds will replace EU structural funds, which were agreed on a seven-year cycle and totalled £10.5bn for 2014-2020, the last period for which the UK was a member of the EU.

    Typically, funds agreed for development projects falling in the latter parts of a seven-year cycle would continue to be disbursed for up to three years after the funding cycle ends, meaning EU regional funds are still being paid out in the UK up until at least 2023. Gething raised concerns last October with Michael Gove, the UK minister for levelling up, that the government in Westminster was double counting, or “netting off”, payments from the past EU settlement in order to make good on its promise not to see a diminution in regional funds since 2020. “Instead of having fresh or new money to commit each and every year, the UK government is including spending committed under previous years in its calculation for this year’s funding,” he said.

    The levelling up department confirmed that the UK government spending would not match the £1.5bn average EU payments until 2024-2025. It added that devolved administrations could also access regional finance funds via the British Business Bank. “We have been clear throughout that UK-wide funding for the UK Shared Prosperity Fund — worth over £2.6bn [over three years] — will ramp up to at least match receipts from EU structural funds, which on average reached around £1.5bn per year,” it said. However, October’s Budget documents said that the Shared Prosperity Fund “will at a minimum match the size of EU Funds in each nation and in Cornwall, each year”.

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    wow noone saw this coming
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    Taking back control

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    I always scratched my head at the insistence that UK Gov was going to match EU structural funding.

    There was simply no way they could realistically do that without tax increases or cutting spending elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Context plz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Context plz.
    On Monday, Johnson tried to deflect Partygate criticism aimed at him by claiming Starmer had blocked the prosecution of notorious sex offender Jimmy Savile (he hadn't)

    What you see there is Foreign Secretary Liz Truss saying what a great bloke he was after he had died in 2011.

    And while we're on the subject, here's a picture of Savile enjoying a joke with one of his best friends...

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    So tomorrow we will know what the new fuel cap will be. Bad times ahead for a lot of people.

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    The tories are good with the economy though so this is actually a good thing.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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