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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
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    I honestly don't see starmer moving much towards the centre. Long Bailey would be a bad choice.
    Agree, tbh I don’t see anyone as decent now. Lammy’s too black and Starmer is too left. Perhaps the party needs to split.
    Does Starmer seem too left? He struck me as more centrist than Corbyn during Brexit etc.
    Same but it seems he is actually quite left. I also don’t think he’d be great in the commons: he’s a barrister and a prosecutor at that, is used to being afforded time in silence to speak.

    Also why is Corbyn still leader lol? The amount of damage that is doing alone is maaaaaaasive.
    Corbyn sticking around insulates the next leader from the Brexit bill shenanigans we're going to see while boris fucks around with trying to get us out by the end of the month.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    I actually think Starmer's dull as dishwater. He's got some work to do in hustings. Nandy and Phillips will run rings round him. Yes he has an outstanding human rights record and was on the right side of Brexit, but fuck me he can be boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Also, Watson isn't around anymore, so it would be unclear who the interim leader would be, really. And if it would be one of the candidates for the position, everyone would cry 'anointed successor' etc.

    Anyway, good to see that Jen and Len, and Milne and Murray, are failing (as always) to ram their candidate through.

    Also laughing at the obvious ploy of having Lavery run against Wrong Daily, just so Kathy can get a spot on her team.

    I really hope Starmer gets it, and I really hope he kicks all those no-hope, no-competence, Stalinist fuckers out of Labour HQ and the unions. It's well past time for a good and thorough spring cleaning in the Labour party.
    Yes, yes, yes. Purge the enemy. Make the Labour party pure and right again. Deny people membership of unions based on political affiliation.
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    Taking wannabe kingmaker McCluskey down a peg or two might not be so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    I actually think Starmer's dull as dishwater. He's got some work to do in hustings. Nandy and Phillips will run rings round him. Yes he has an outstanding human rights record and was on the right side of Brexit, but fuck me he can be boring.
    i think he's pretty bland too, but i can imagine with the right media training how he could do well

    he's a) white, b) male c) sir (who care's for what) and d) doesn't say press-stupid things all the time. can probably get his mouth around a bacon sandwich too.

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    Higher vote share than Milliband, huge membership increase (but not the right kind of members apparently). The westminster parliamentary system isn't very democratic, and the left suffer the greatest. Blair should have carried out the electoral reform which was in his manifesto.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    A scot defending the Westminster system The tories gained 1% of the vote and got landslide. Wow, what a fantastic democracy we live in which centrists trip over themselves to uphold.

    When polled, the country back left wing Labour policies, which I also support, and I'll support whichever figure head happens to be in the position to deliver them. I don't care about Corbyn or anyone involved in personality politics, I care about whoever gives a shit about democratic socialism and is closest to power.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Also, Watson isn't around anymore, so it would be unclear who the interim leader would be, really. And if it would be one of the candidates for the position, everyone would cry 'anointed successor' etc.

    Anyway, good to see that Jen and Len, and Milne and Murray, are failing (as always) to ram their candidate through.

    Also laughing at the obvious ploy of having Lavery run against Wrong Daily, just so Kathy can get a spot on her team.

    I really hope Starmer gets it, and I really hope he kicks all those no-hope, no-competence, Stalinist fuckers out of Labour HQ and the unions. It's well past time for a good and thorough spring cleaning in the Labour party.
    Yes, yes, yes. Purge the enemy. Make the Labour party pure and right again. Deny people membership of unions based on political affiliation.
    If you don't like it: start your own party.

    Starmer top of the list just shows that the vast majority of the members have had quite enough of your cult.

    So why not pack it in already? Haven't you lot done enough damage already?
    Barth, I'm going to put this in very simple terms: I am not your enemy and outright abusing me every time you respond to one of my posts is needlessly nasty.

    Starmer is the early favourite. Good. He's my choice. He's my choice based on his policy positions and voting record. He might well remain my choice based on his campaigning.

    But Starmer is being selected by the same people who selected Jeremy Corbyn. TWICE. The party membership.

    You cannot call the party membership a bunch of cultists when they vote for the person you don't like and suggest that the same group has 'had enough of people like me' (been a member since I was old enough to join Young Labour fyi) when they vote for the person you do like.
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    Time to renew my Labour membership and get behind RLB


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    A scot defending the Westminster system The tories gained 1% of the vote and got landslide. Wow, what a fantastic democracy we live in which centrists trip over themselves to uphold.
    It's a good job Corbyn promised to correct the electoral system in his magical manifesto of unicorns, then. Oh wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    A scot defending the Westminster system The tories gained 1% of the vote and got landslide. Wow, what a fantastic democracy we live in which centrists trip over themselves to uphold.

    When polled, the country back left wing Labour policies, which I also support, and I'll support whichever figure head happens to be in the position to deliver them. I don't care about Corbyn or anyone involved in personality politics, I care about whoever gives a shit about democratic socialism and is closest to power.
    And where was I defending the Westminster system? Oh, right, I wasn't. It's just more deflection. Away from the fact that clearly, the vast majority of the electorate didn't think your magic grandpa could deliver on his myriad of pipedreams randomly dumped on them without rhyme or reason or preparation. They just didn't want nationalised broadband hard enough I suppose.

    And for someone who doesn't believe in personality politics, you spend an awful lot of time defending said failure and his Stalinist buddies.

    Pack it in. You want democratic socialism in England? Then Labour needs to get rid of Corbyn and his clique. The sooner the better.

    At least the 'centrists' in Scotland are getting things done (and elected).
    The vast majority of the electorate have never supported anyone

    I agree with you that adding more policy in the middle of a campaign which wasn't about policy wasnt going to achieve anything. In fact, it looks like labour should have backed Brexit to not lose the seats they lost in the north, but that wouldn't have kept you happy would it?

    I supported the Brexit approach they took, because what was the alternative if not straight out remain or hard Brexit? I don't think there is a winning Brexit position for them to take in hindsight.

    Corbyn is going, and it looks like his clique will be following him. I'm defending the revival of left wing thought in the party membership and leadership, the face of that doesn't matter.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Meanwhile, over here in Liverpool: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...takes-17513712

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    Barth should chill the fuck out.

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    Yes but it's fine for him to spew abuse at everyone in this thread because he does it with big words without any of those nasty swears. God forbid you swear, that gets you infractions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Meanwhile, over here in Liverpool: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...takes-17513712

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    lol some mad lads took some decks and massive speakers down and banged out a load of dnb for it

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    boris drinks buckfast with a straw hahahahahaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    Yes but it's fine for him to spew abuse at everyone in this thread because he does it with big words without any of those nasty swears. God forbid you swear, that gets you infractions.
    While not with much tact there's not really much there that's over the top.

    Personally I wish ya'll would shut the fuck up. But that's just me. Have a pint and figure it out like men or keep slapping your keyboards. Whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hels View Post
    Personally I wish ya'll would shut the fuck up. But that's just me. Have a pint and figure it out like men or keep slapping your keyboards. Whatever.
    The "my version of Labour is better than your version of Labour" whinging is getting pretty stale...

    Who's ready for Brexit in the next... oh, let's call it 4 weeks?

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    Who's ready for brexit in 4 weeks while the government undergoes an ideological campaign to revolutionise the civil service spearheaded by an unelected technocrat whose only experience is running an airline which never had any flights and using stolen facebook data to lie about the EU?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    Are the same party members (aka Corbyn's cultists) contemplating voting for someone else just as rotten to the core now as they were then?
    Well given Wrong Daily is sitting on 30-odd percent in the same poll despite a complete lack of any charisma, gravitas, policies, experience or relevant skills, yes.
    The fact that she's not winning with 30-40 odd percent while the rest of the membership vacillate between a raft of generally uncharismatic, unidentifiable candidates with flexible positions is the real wonder. Welcome to the cult of Starmer.
    She'd probably lose 3 elections in a row to a tory government so outrageously incompetent and corrupt that if you'd used what it's done over the last 5 years as the plot of a novel, you'd have been laughed out of town a decade ago.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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