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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    The American Revolution started when the British decided to put a tax on tea.

    Imagine what will happen if the government tries to tax bacon.
    No taxation on my bacon!

    But I can't really see people dumping bacon into a harbour in protest though
    If money was a chicken, would the chicken be evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Well soon after the no deal brexit you are free to tax everything as you like.
    The implication we have any sort of democratic representation on economic matters is cute.
    Not to mention the implication that we'll be able to afford enough meat for it to matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Incremental NIC increases based on body fat percentage could at least be logically defended, this sort of shit just baffles me. I'd love to see if the sugar tax has actually affected anything, it'll be a few years before there's any useful data from it. It isn't even like they ring fence the proceeds for public health initiatives.
    Is "body fat percentage" a similar useless index as BMI is one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    That would never happen. It's utterly antithetical to the principles of the NHS. You cannot and should not ever be able to "top up" your care.
    You shouldn't be able to top up your care based on how much money you have.

    You can currently get quicker access to certain treatment on other criteria though. I got an MRI on my lower back within a week because I'm an otherwise healthy young adult which bumped me above other people on the waiting list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Incremental NIC increases based on body fat percentage could at least be logically defended, this sort of shit just baffles me. I'd love to see if the sugar tax has actually affected anything, it'll be a few years before there's any useful data from it. It isn't even like they ring fence the proceeds for public health initiatives.
    Is "body fat percentage" a similar useless index as BMI is one?
    BMI isn't useless unless you have a large proportion of your population all competing in body building. Most people who get told they are fat based on BMI are actually fat, BMI is a good metric for judging the health of the population and most people who aren't outliers. In a lot of instance BMI under reports unhealthiness in sedentary populations, people who are 'healthy' weight but have low lean mass compared to their body fat.

    But yes, body fat percentage is a more useful metric for the individual since it actually allows you to measure the ratio of lean mass (good) to fat (bad (mostly)). Obesity doesn't come into it because obesity is a term tailored to BMI measurement. There are pretty well known limits for healthy bf% (typically 8%-20% in men and 18%-30% in women).
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
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    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.
    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post

    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.

    Strawmanning is way easier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.
    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    It's a "Demolition Man" joke you silly ignorant twit.

    Lighten up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.
    The world has varying shades of grey and the status quo can always be improved on.

    Wow, that was really easy and not scary at all. Guess you were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.
    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    It's a "Demolition Man" joke you silly ignorant twit.

    Lighten up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.
    The world has varying shades of grey and the status quo can always be improved on.

    Wow, that was really easy and not scary at all. Guess you were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post

    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.

    Strawmanning is way easier.
    Status Quo were a mediocre band at best.

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    Yeah, it's traditional, but it's still not a good look...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-celebrations

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Right, but we're all sane enough to recognise that't exactly the same thing. Try it today and see what happens. For example ask a private hospital what happens if you suffer a genuine emergency while they're pretending to be a healthcare provider. They call an ambulance and you go to A&E to be triaged, same as everyone else.

    Care is, must be and always will be only ever delivered based on clinical need. Anything else would cause open revolt in the NHS.
    I actually had a discussion about this at a wedding with a person in working in marketing (disclaimer: this was in Finland).

    He could not fathom why doctors were opposed to marketing public health care services (such as various operations) via a subsidiary by those health care professionals who would be willing to do so. I attempted to point out that specialist care (i.e. anything not done by your local GP) is given on the basis of need, not money. He just did not seem to get my viewpoint, but saw selling specialist care as a good business opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Right, but we're all sane enough to recognise that't exactly the same thing. Try it today and see what happens. For example ask a private hospital what happens if you suffer a genuine emergency while they're pretending to be a healthcare provider. They call an ambulance and you go to A&E to be triaged, same as everyone else.

    Care is, must be and always will be only ever delivered based on clinical need. Anything else would cause open revolt in the NHS.
    I actually had a discussion about this at a wedding with a person in working in marketing (disclaimer: this was in Finland).

    He could not fathom why doctors were opposed to marketing public health care services (such as various operations) via a subsidiary by those health care professionals who would be willing to do so. I attempted to point out that specialist care (i.e. anything not done by your local GP) is given on the basis of need, not money. He just did not seem to get my viewpoint, but saw selling specialist care as a good business opportunity.
    He should move to America, or perhaps, post Brexit U.K.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.
    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    It's a "Demolition Man" joke you silly ignorant twit.

    Lighten up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.
    The world has varying shades of grey and the status quo can always be improved on.

    Wow, that was really easy and not scary at all. Guess you were wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/meat-t...hers-1-4825479

    UK Meat Tax increases could save many lives, surely right thing to do.
    We should be taxing meat much more heavily than fruits and vegetables, yes. There have been many proposals in the EU to address this via. fpr example, dividing the one VAT we use for food into subcategories.
    I agree completely. Meat is bad for you and everything bad for you should really be illegal, not just taxed tbqh.

    Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.

    It's for the public good, after all. There is no right to a good meat pie.
    Are you capable of communicating in ways other than strawmen?
    It's a "Demolition Man" joke you silly ignorant twit.

    Lighten up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Admitting the world is varying scales of grey is scary and requires thought processes beyond accepting the status quo as good.
    The world has varying shades of grey and the status quo can always be improved on.

    Wow, that was really easy and not scary at all. Guess you were wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post

    The implication we have any sort of democratic representation on economic matters is cute.
    Commies like you don't get democratic representation especially since you campaign against it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Yeah, it's traditional, but it's still not a good look...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-celebrations
    Nothing wrong with dressing as a black person.
    Last edited by Meester; November 7 2018 at 06:35:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    The implication we have any sort of democratic representation on economic matters is cute.
    Commies like you don't get democratic representation especially since you campaign against it.
    Have you tried not being a terrible poster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    The implication we have any sort of democratic representation on economic matters is cute.
    Commies like you don't get democratic representation especially since you campaign against it.
    Have you tried not being a terrible poster?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    The implication we have any sort of democratic representation on economic matters is cute.
    Commies like you don't get democratic representation especially since you campaign against it.
    Have you tried not being a terrible poster?
    Careful, we'll get into a tautological spiral and teds will ban us for quote pyramiding

    You massive wanker.

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