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    The fight against fascism is a basic as deplatforming moneyed interests and representing the disenfranchised.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Liberal cowardice would rather welcome fascism than democracy nonshocker.
    Bullshit; historically and ideologically.

    It was the liberals that fought fascist authorianism, the radical left preferred to play along and cowardly sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact instead.
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
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    This is either Bart supporting radical flank theory but being too much of a coward to pin his colours to a winning mast because it's too radical or he's just admitting to being a conservative.
    "You're either for us or against us!"

    Part and parcel of avant gardism.

    And it is destructive. It has only brought massive partisanship in politics, resulting in Brexit and Trump. And it is tearing apart both the Tories and Labour. Exactly what the radicals want I suppose: revolution.

    Except: no one's buying the bullshit anymore. Revolution, partisanship, class-warfare, avant gardism; they're about welcomed by the populace as a fart in an lift.

    The people just want their centre-left consensus back. Drain the swamp of extremists, left and right.

    In other news, the great 'democrator' of the Labour party, Corbyn, now wants Labour's EU elections manifesto to be written in accordance to the democratic wishes of all membersby his leadership committee only (and to hell with the 80% of members that want a People's Vote).
    The fight against fascism requires radical authoritarianism, the suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of the economy and society for the betterment of The People, comrade.

    Please stop your recidivist wrongthink.


    How has that worked out for 'The People' thus far?

    Only liberalism has created strong, stable, prosperous, democratic, and free societies. Both left and right wing radical ideology haven't and can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Liberal cowardice would rather welcome fascism than democracy nonshocker.
    Bullshit; historically and ideologically.

    It was the liberals that fought fascist authorianism, the radical left preferred to play along and cowardly sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact instead.
    Yeah the Soviets are really the radical left lmao.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    This is either Bart supporting radical flank theory but being too much of a coward to pin his colours to a winning mast because it's too radical or he's just admitting to being a conservative.
    "You're either for us or against us!"

    Part and parcel of avant gardism.

    And it is destructive. It has only brought massive partisanship in politics, resulting in Brexit and Trump. And it is tearing apart both the Tories and Labour. Exactly what the radicals want I suppose: revolution.

    Except: no one's buying the bullshit anymore. Revolution, partisanship, class-warfare, avant gardism; they're about welcomed by the populace as a fart in an lift.

    The people just want their centre-left consensus back. Drain the swamp of extremists, left and right.

    In other news, the great 'democrator' of the Labour party, Corbyn, now wants Labour's EU elections manifesto to be written in accordance to the democratic wishes of all membersby his leadership committee only (and to hell with the 80% of members that want a People's Vote).
    The fight against fascism requires radical authoritarianism, the suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of the economy and society for the betterment of The People, comrade.

    Please stop your recidivist wrongthink.


    How has that worked out for 'The People' thus far?

    Only liberalism has created strong, stable, prosperous, democratic, and free societies. Both left and right wing radical ideology haven't and can't.
    Tell that to the people queuing at food banks.

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    Only communists have bread lines Rodj.

    22% of the world's prisoners are in liberal America's gulags.

    We're approaching widespread ecosystem collapse.

    What a triumph liberalism has been!
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    ITT: The Tories and the GOP are liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    ITT: The Tories and the GOP are liberals.
    Liberal with a capital L, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
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    ITT: The Tories and the GOP are liberals.
    Liberal with a capital L, yes.
    Pray tell what Conservatism is to you then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
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    ITT: The Tories and the GOP are liberals.
    Liberal with a capital L, yes.
    Pray tell what Conservatism is to you then.

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    Dear god....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Liberal cowardice would rather welcome fascism than democracy nonshocker.
    Bullshit; historically and ideologically.

    It was the liberals that fought fascist authorianism, the radical left preferred to play along and cowardly sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact instead.
    Yeah the Soviets are really the radical left lmao.
    Real Communism has never been tried!
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post
    Dear god....
    I understand they had a season ticket with Jimmy Savile's barber.

    Also, Stanley had clearly been practicing his Tory Power Pose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    This is either Bart supporting radical flank theory but being too much of a coward to pin his colours to a winning mast because it's too radical or he's just admitting to being a conservative.
    "You're either for us or against us!"

    Part and parcel of avant gardism.

    And it is destructive. It has only brought massive partisanship in politics, resulting in Brexit and Trump. And it is tearing apart both the Tories and Labour. Exactly what the radicals want I suppose: revolution.

    Except: no one's buying the bullshit anymore. Revolution, partisanship, class-warfare, avant gardism; they're about welcomed by the populace as a fart in an lift.

    The people just want their centre-left consensus back. Drain the swamp of extremists, left and right.

    In other news, the great 'democrator' of the Labour party, Corbyn, now wants Labour's EU elections manifesto to be written in accordance to the democratic wishes of all membersby his leadership committee only (and to hell with the 80% of members that want a People's Vote).
    I suppose having a ~civil debate~ with someone who wants to slash allowances and benefits for poors while cutting their own taxes is a good alternative. This has never been tried before. And it's certainly never led to a liberal pro-business consensus instead of a "center-left" one

    In Barth's world, the mean words said to some other upper middle class weirdo count 10x as much as the mean actions done to the poor

    Which is more destabilizing? Which causes fascism to rear its head when people feel ignored? It is a mystery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    This is either Bart supporting radical flank theory but being too much of a coward to pin his colours to a winning mast because it's too radical or he's just admitting to being a conservative.
    "You're either for us or against us!"

    Part and parcel of avant gardism.

    And it is destructive. It has only brought massive partisanship in politics, resulting in Brexit and Trump. And it is tearing apart both the Tories and Labour. Exactly what the radicals want I suppose: revolution.

    Except: no one's buying the bullshit anymore. Revolution, partisanship, class-warfare, avant gardism; they're about welcomed by the populace as a fart in an lift.

    The people just want their centre-left consensus back. Drain the swamp of extremists, left and right.

    In other news, the great 'democrator' of the Labour party, Corbyn, now wants Labour's EU elections manifesto to be written in accordance to the democratic wishes of all membersby his leadership committee only (and to hell with the 80% of members that want a People's Vote).
    I suppose having a ~civil debate~ with someone who wants to slash allowances and benefits for poors while cutting their own taxes is a good alternative. This has never been tried before. And it's certainly never led to a liberal pro-business consensus instead of a "center-left" one

    In Barth's world, the mean words said to some other upper middle class weirdo count 10x as much as the mean actions done to the poor

    Which is more destabilizing? Which causes fascism to rear its head when people feel ignored? It is a mystery...
    As usual, you make no sense. In fact, I have no clue what you're on about now. Is this supposed to be a reference to the US or the UK? You seem to know next to nothing about the latter, and very little about the former.

    Let me fill you in about the UK then: it is currently Corbyn, labour leader and self-professed lefty, who is talking with the Tories about 'the workers' party' enabling a Tory Brexit. It is actually the Lib Dems (among others) who refuse to contenance any such idea unless whatever deal comes up is put up for a People's Vote.

    As always, the purity test focussed left is all to willing to sell out to the fascists and ignore the democratic will of the people, even 80% of their own party membership. And it's, again, the liberals who stick to their principles.

    While you keep blabbering on about things you have clearly no clue about, out here in the real world, if Corbyn had been anything better than grossly incompetent, and less obsessed with applying ideological purity tests to cleanse his own party; he'd have had May and the whole Tory rabble out on their arse at least a year ago, if not earlier.

    Maybe if he hadn't turned a blind eye to the anti-semitism in his own party, mostly to protect his lefty fellow-travellers (as well as himself), he'd be in a better position now to call out the Tories and their fascist friends on their casual racism and Islamophobia as well.

    He might not look like he's playing political games with the very livelyhoods of the people he constantly professes to care most about (but actually does very little for) either.

    Instead he's giving the fascists, racists, islamophobes a free hand to do whatever they want. Breaking up and splitting the labour party from the very people he'd need to actually get somewhere against the Tories. Because they're not ideologically pure enough for him, and his Stalinist friends (like Seumas Milne).

    How is that standing up for the poor? How is that not enabling the fascists?

    It's no mystery what's destabilizing here in the UK. It's the Tory enabling lefties in leadership of the Labour party. They're the ones having the 'civil debate' with the fascists.
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    lmao you've lost the plot Bart, do you work for the politics editorial team for the beeb?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Nah, it’s the U-bend theory. The extreme left and right are directly linked and are where all the shit in the world is. I’d draw it out but I’m no where near paint.

    E: fixd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    Dear god....
    I understand they had a season ticket with Jimmy Savile's barber.

    Also, Stanley had clearly been practicing his Tory Power Pose.
    I'd say young Boris looks more like David St. Hubbins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    This is either Bart supporting radical flank theory but being too much of a coward to pin his colours to a winning mast because it's too radical or he's just admitting to being a conservative.
    "You're either for us or against us!"

    Part and parcel of avant gardism.

    And it is destructive. It has only brought massive partisanship in politics, resulting in Brexit and Trump. And it is tearing apart both the Tories and Labour. Exactly what the radicals want I suppose: revolution.

    Except: no one's buying the bullshit anymore. Revolution, partisanship, class-warfare, avant gardism; they're about welcomed by the populace as a fart in an lift.

    The people just want their centre-left consensus back. Drain the swamp of extremists, left and right.

    In other news, the great 'democrator' of the Labour party, Corbyn, now wants Labour's EU elections manifesto to be written in accordance to the democratic wishes of all membersby his leadership committee only (and to hell with the 80% of members that want a People's Vote).
    I suppose having a ~civil debate~ with someone who wants to slash allowances and benefits for poors while cutting their own taxes is a good alternative. This has never been tried before. And it's certainly never led to a liberal pro-business consensus instead of a "center-left" one

    In Barth's world, the mean words said to some other upper middle class weirdo count 10x as much as the mean actions done to the poor

    Which is more destabilizing? Which causes fascism to rear its head when people feel ignored? It is a mystery...
    blabbering

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