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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Right now though, it would be either Lewis or Long-Bailey - and definitely not Jess Phillips.
    You'd vote for the man who is effectively campaigning for the green party and the snp or the woman so phenomenally incompetent as a campaigner Momentum are going to stand a candidate against her, who was their own candidate to start with? But definitely not the other woman, because..?

    No wonder we're so fucked on the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    Had to take a month off for personal reasons, but I'm back now.

    Starmer would be a great Chancellor or Foreign Sec but I can't see him being PM because he's a Londoner, he's a Remainer, and his time as DPP would give the media and the government too much ammunition.
    So who will you be voting for then? Genuinely interested.
    It depends on who gets on the ballot and what they say during the campaign!

    Right now though, it would be either Lewis or Long-Bailey - and definitely not Jess Phillips.
    Since Lewis will probably not make it on the ballot, Rebecca 'continuity candidate' Long-Bailey it is then.

    You are aware that electing RLB will destroy Labour's credibility with voters as a future government, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Right now though, it would be either Lewis or Long-Bailey - and definitely not Jess Phillips.
    You'd vote for the man who is effectively campaigning for the green party and the snp or the woman so phenomenally incompetent as a campaigner Momentum are going to stand a candidate against her, who was their own candidate to start with? But definitely not the other woman, because..?

    No wonder we're so fucked on the left
    Because...

    ...she was one of the Chicken Coup plotters...

    ...she objected to International Men's Day...

    ...she's supports Israeli policy in Palestine...

    ...she claimed that the British Pakistani-Bangladeshi community were importing wives for their disabled sons...

    ...she claimed that events akin to the alleged mass sexual assaults in Cologne happen every week on Birmingham's Broad Street...

    ...she once boasted about telling a shadow cabinet member to fuck off.

    There's more, but I can't be arsed to look them up.

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    The most important thing this coming decade is for a coalition of the progressive left to be built. I don't see RLB being able to overcome the current labour centralism and executive bureaucracy which acts as a huge obstacle to that. I can see Starmer and Lewis having the ability to push it through if it was something they valued. We'll have to see over the next couple of months how they shape their campaigns.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    If you two canít understand why Corbyn remaining as leader 3 months after the largest Labour loss since fuck knows when is a bad thing, then there is little to discuss. Like, for real, itís just pig-ignorant.

    Like I said, Labour needs to die. The members should have never been given so much say over who runs the party; the whole organisational structure isnít fit for purpose and has deeply let down those it purports to champion.
    amazing scenes.
    so you genuinely think the problem with a democratic party system is the fact that the members of the party decides the policies and leadership of the party ? in other words and in a larger context, the problem with democracy is that the hoi polloi holds the deciding influence ?
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    It truly is a dumber take than the blue labourites who think Labour would win a majority if only the party was more racist.

    I'm pretty sure Djan is a Lib Dem though so calling him out might be ableist.
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    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Both of you are tip top fucking retards. If you think 500k people represent the 'hoi polloi' (what does that even fucking mean? You stupid pizza delivery system), or even a representative cross section of the electorate, then you're even denser than I thought.

    I vote Labour, same as you. I just, you know, would like the party to return to power. It's people like you that prevent left wing thought from percolating into general discourse and turning into policies: cod-left philosophy and a marked disconnect between what people actually want and are prepared to vote for. You should feel ashamed of yourselves for supporting a section of the party that has literally ensured a Tory majority - almost certainly for the next ten years.

    kill yourselves.

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    Both of you are tip top fucking retards. If you think 500k people represent the 'hoi polloi' (what does that even fucking mean? You stupid pizza delivery system), or even a representative cross section of the electorate, then you're even denser than I thought.

    I vote Labour, same as you. I just, you know, would like the party to return to power. It's people like you that prevent left wing thought from percolating into general discourse and turning into policies: cod-left philosophy and a marked disconnect between what people actually want and are prepared to vote for. You should feel ashamed of yourselves for supporting a section of the party that has literally ensured a Tory majority - almost certainly for the next ten years.

    kill yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    ...she once boasted about telling a shadow cabinet member to fuck off.
    aye fair play but this one deserves a pat on the back, diane does need to fuck off

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    lmao Djan

    I've literally called on this page for the next labour leader to build a progressive coalition (which seems to represent over 50% of the electorate) instead of promote party isolationism. The left requires constitutional reform in order to become a political force in Britain, a new electoral system, an empowering policy platform and forward looking leadership.

    What have you suggested? Scrapping article 50 and no longer being left wing? What the fuck do you know about what peopel want or will vote for? Were you on the door step last election? When was the last time you living hand to mouth?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The left requires constitutional reform in order to become a political force in Britain, a new electoral system, an empowering policy platform and forward looking leadership.
    Not really. It mostly requires leadership that isn't personified by a flatcap wearing, terrorist hugging, allotment tending, england-hating pensioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The left requires constitutional reform in order to become a political force in Britain, a new electoral system, an empowering policy platform and forward looking leadership.
    Not really. It mostly requires leadership that isn't personified by a flatcap wearing, terrorist hugging, allotment tending, england-hating pensioner.
    So you'd be happy with RLB as leader?

    I don't think it was Corbyn's aesthetic which people turned away from, he looks the same as he did in 2017. I think the biggest problem was he stood as a conviction politician without any convictions on the biggest political issue we've faced for decades. He also managed to turn the party into a top down bureaucracy despite coming into power on the back of grass roots support.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    lmao Djan

    I've literally called on this page for the next labour leader to build a progressive coalition (which seems to represent over 50% of the electorate) instead of promote party isolationism. The left requires constitutional reform in order to become a political force in Britain, a new electoral system, an empowering policy platform and forward looking leadership.

    What have you suggested? Scrapping article 50 and no longer being left wing? What the fuck do you know about what peopel want or will vote for? Were you on the door step last election? When was the last time you living hand to mouth?
    Haha what are you even on about, I didn’t want to scrap article 50 - Swinson was an absolute idiot. Also lel at thinking you need constitutional reform to get into power, you sound like Owen Jones.

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    The westminster system exaggerates a 1% growth in vote share into an enormous majority and you don't see this as a constitutional problem for our democracy?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Sigh. Yeh, that’s totally what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The westminster system exaggerates a 1% growth in vote share into an enormous majority and you don't see this as a constitutional problem for our democracy?
    Out of curiosity, what would you like instead and how would you get there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    So you'd be happy with RLB as leader?
    I doubt she can provide any leadership, but I was in all seriousness speaking more broadly. Corbyn is the manifestation of the nasty old left. The left of Len and of Skwawkbox and just banging on about Israel and Hamas all the time. While RLB is not Corbyn (which, let's face it, is not a high bar) I doubt she has the balls or political capital to do the necessary thing and purge the party of the 4Ms and s ay very, very publicly that Skwawkbox and co need to fuck right off if we're going to get anything done in the next decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The westminster system exaggerates a 1% growth in vote share into an enormous majority and you don't see this as a constitutional problem for our democracy?
    Out of curiosity, what would you like instead and how would you get there?
    Here's the problem: in order to change the system a party needs to win under the current rules. And any party that wins under the current rules won't want to change things.

    For the record, my preferred system is STV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    So you'd be happy with RLB as leader?
    I doubt she can provide any leadership, but I was in all seriousness speaking more broadly. Corbyn is the manifestation of the nasty old left. The left of Len and of Skwawkbox and just banging on about Israel and Hamas all the time. While RLB is not Corbyn (which, let's face it, is not a high bar) I doubt she has the balls or political capital to do the necessary thing and purge the party of the 4Ms and s ay very, very publicly that Skwawkbox and co need to fuck right off if we're going to get anything done in the next decade.
    At least she would very likely have the support of her deputy leader, which Corbyn never had.

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    But if the party is all about democracy and the deputy leader is elected then surely that disdain was fully right and proper? :thinking:

    Stop fighting the old battles. Corbyn was an incompetent surrounded by ugly people intent on doing ugly things to anyone who got in their way. He's gone.

    Well. He's not gone. He's still there trying to hold the government to account over brexit negotiations and a nearly shooting war instigated by our largest ally while his mates from Skwawkbox and Unite The "Union" try and purge any and all professional staff from party HQ before they themselves are kicked out. But that's kind of gone right?

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