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    Nobody believes anything which comes out of Boris' mouth anyway.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Jiensai View Post
    Sonds like a good plan, whats not to like about that? Paying broadband from your pocket now vs. paying broadband with your taxes next year does not seem to make a big difference and contrary to the current providers, the government does not have to make a profit, so it should be cheaper.
    Variously:

    1) If the government wants to spend 20Bn on something, paying off BT's shareholders is just about the worst thing they could spend it on
    2) The broadband market in the UK functions well, delivering good speeds to the overwhelming majority at a low cost with effective competition
    3) Broadband requirements vary hugely - I'm paying a tidy packet for an uberconnection because I need it. My mum and dad pay about 3 a month because they don't.
    4) "Free for all" is regressive bullshit. I pay a tidy packet for my connections because I can. I should not be getting it for free off the government. See also: bus passes, winter fuel, pensions etc.
    5) The domestic fixed-line broadband market is old hat and there's a good chance it'll go the way of the fixed-line telephone market by 2030
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    Yeah, I'm for nationalisation of rail, power and water treatment. But broadband? It's not a natural monopoly. If you want better infrastructure in rural areas then simply legislate that a company can only off X times it's slowest speed, that way if they want to sell huge bandwidth in the city they will have to invest in their rural customers.
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    Just for the record, "sending a needy text" is never the right answer.

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    I'd be more in favour of BT hadn't been such absolute bellends about broadband in the first place
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    But broadband? It's not a natural monopoly
    Have you never heard of Openreach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    But broadband? It's not a natural monopoly
    Have you never heard of Openreach?
    "Was once a monopoly" is not the same as "is a natural monopoly", especially when the most common broadband connection is actually to your phone and we're about 5 years away from satellite broadband from multiple operators being a practical and viable thing

    basically, this would have been a lovely idea 25 years ago. 1994 UK would have loved a nationwide, universal communications network. 2019 UK has a bunch of them to choose from already and doesn't need them hampered by bad attempts to turn them into a socialist vision of communications equality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    But broadband? It's not a natural monopoly
    Have you never heard of Openreach?
    "Was once a monopoly" is not the same as "is a natural monopoly", especially when the most common broadband connection is actually to your phone and we're about 5 years away from satellite broadband from multiple operators being a practical and viable thing

    basically, this would have been a lovely idea 25 years ago. 1994 UK would have loved a nationwide, universal communications network. 2019 UK has a bunch of them to choose from already and doesn't need them hampered by bad attempts to turn them into a socialist vision of communications equality.
    The UK has a bunch of networks to choose from does it? Try telling that to the people living in rural areas that have no broadband provision at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Russian interference gave us trump, EU interference gave the Welsh some bridges and employment programs
    You will find that Americans who voted for Trump gave America Trump [that and their shitty electoral system], its a good thing Hilary Clinton is batting for your side.

    Its typical of an EU sycophant to acclaim deeds for which the EU has no part in. Do what we say or we take your bridges! The mafia approach to control.

    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    Yeah, I'm for nationalisation of rail, power and water treatment. But broadband? It's not a natural monopoly. If you want better infrastructure in rural areas then simply legislate that a company can only off X times it's slowest speed, that way if they want to sell huge bandwidth in the city they will have to invest in their rural customers.
    Of those only water should be nationalised being a vital resource. However this next Labour leader might end up in control.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Russian interference gave us trump, EU interference gave the Welsh some bridges and employment programs
    You will find that Americans who voted for Trump gave America Trump [that and their shitty electoral system], its a good thing Hilary Clinton is batting for your side.
    You mean the -3 million votes he won with. Yeah, top system.

    Also top fucking winner. Displaying typical conservative intelligence there, buddy.
    meh

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    I guess Meester is conceding the point about whether the Tories care or not then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Jiensai View Post
    Sonds like a good plan, whats not to like about that? Paying broadband from your pocket now vs. paying broadband with your taxes next year does not seem to make a big difference and contrary to the current providers, the government does not have to make a profit, so it should be cheaper.
    2) The broadband market in the UK functions well, delivering good speeds to the overwhelming majority at a low cost with effective competition
    That's the problematic point, at least here in Germany. Overall, broadband availability is OKish. But these tiny villages, where a commercial provider would need to lay a few miles of cable to connect them, stay at poor connection speeds. No commercial carrier is interested in investing in the infarstructure there, because it would alway operate at a loss. That is something a government doesn't need to consider. "Internet access" these days can very well be considered a basic public service*), something that should never be privatized.

    *) In fact I seem to remember a German court ruling to that effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Russian interference gave us trump, EU interference gave the Welsh some bridges and employment programs
    You will find that Americans who voted for Trump gave America Trump [that and their shitty electoral system], its a good thing Hilary Clinton is batting for your side.

    Its typical of an EU sycophant to acclaim deeds for which the EU has no part in. Do what we say or we take your bridges! The mafia approach to control.
    Yeah Hilary Clinton, the famed Socialist

    EU money had a part in improving the material conditions of many English towns abandoned due to toryism.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Russian interference gave us trump, EU interference gave the Welsh some bridges and employment programs
    You will find that Americans who voted for Trump gave America Trump [that and their shitty electoral system], its a good thing Hilary Clinton is batting for your side.

    Its typical of an EU sycophant to acclaim deeds for which the EU has no part in. Do what we say or we take your bridges! The mafia approach to control.
    Yeah Hilary Clinton, the famed Socialist

    EU money had a part in improving the material conditions of many English towns abandoned due to toryism.
    Notorious leftist that Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    The UK has a bunch of networks to choose from does it? Try telling that to the people living in rural areas that have no broadband provision at all.
    I will, from the comfort of my urban home where I can choose from at least six pots providers, a cable company, a full fat fibre company and a plethora of mobile companies. Like most people, to some degree, can.

    Some village idiots struggling to stream in 4k isn't a reason to spend probably-close-to-100Bn of the public's money buying out OpenReach, throwing away the copper network, replacing it with a fiber one and then giving it all away for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Russian interference gave us trump, EU interference gave the Welsh some bridges and employment programs
    You will find that Americans who voted for Trump gave America Trump [that and their shitty electoral system], its a good thing Hilary Clinton is batting for your side.

    Its typical of an EU sycophant to acclaim deeds for which the EU has no part in. Do what we say or we take your bridges! The mafia approach to control.
    Yeah Hilary Clinton, the famed Socialist

    EU money had a part in improving the material conditions of many English towns abandoned due to toryism.
    Notorious leftist that Clinton
    Certainly super busy and in literally everything, along with Soros and the CIA.

    Maybe Soros is actually Hillary in a mask...

    or Hillary is Soros in a mask...

    :bigthink:
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Jiensai View Post
    Sonds like a good plan, whats not to like about that? Paying broadband from your pocket now vs. paying broadband with your taxes next year does not seem to make a big difference and contrary to the current providers, the government does not have to make a profit, so it should be cheaper.
    2) The broadband market in the UK functions well, delivering good speeds to the overwhelming majority at a low cost with effective competition
    That's the problematic point, at least here in Germany. Overall, broadband availability is OKish. But these tiny villages, where a commercial provider would need to lay a few miles of cable to connect them, stay at poor connection speeds. No commercial carrier is interested in investing in the infarstructure there, because it would alway operate at a loss. That is something a government doesn't need to consider. "Internet access" these days can very well be considered a basic public service*), something that should never be privatized.

    *) In fact I seem to remember a German court ruling to that effect
    That's why the German government has made funds available for municipalities to pay for broadband access to them.

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    A question on this nationalised broadband shit:

    I've seen a few people say '5G is the future, no more fixed wiring'.

    Is 5G eminently more scalable than 4G, then? Because try using 4G in any crowded area and you might as well be using messenger pigeons.
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    Yes. But the important thing is its use at home. All the operators will happily sell you home 5g routers now, but there'll come a point where people just stop bothering with home Internet. How many landlines do you think would exist now if BT didn't force you to buy one? That concept was infeasible in 1995, but inevitable in retrospect. Should we be shovelling that much money after something that is already more than adequate and likely to be obsolete inside of the next twenty years? Fuck no, build a high speed transpennine line instead.

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    I hope you like Huawei having access to the entire UK communications sector

    Effectively nationalising it I guess so win/win.


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    BT are fucking awful, this idea is ass

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