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    Eve On Your Cellphone - picture warning.

    This post is best viewed with the FHC-Pink theme


    So I was sitting bored at home thinking on what CCP could create that could both increase the playerbase, generate them some more $$$, not make the playerbase rage, bring back old players, attract a different demagraphic of players and would allow people to play eve when they're away from home.

    There is something like three times as many cellphones in the world as computers so this was the obvious path to follow. I know there are applications people have made that let you manage your skills and stuff, but I was thinking that a complete app from CCP that allowed all the administration functions of your normal accounts plus a few new games/ mechanics would be a great start.

    Obviously the problem with phones is the diversity of power available, so any new mechanics or games would need to be pretty basic so that a wider range of people could play.


    Ideas
    • Main Account Character Administration
    • Ship Crews
    • New Science, Research and Manufacturing Oppurtunities
    • Pod/Fighter Racing
    • Gambling
    • Ingame Chat and Eve Voice
    • Ship Spinning and Item Database
    • Eve History, Roleplaying and Eve Novels



    Character Administration
    View and manage your pod pilot bios, skills, mail and mailing lists, chat channels, corporation, corporation roles and bio
    View your pod pilot's Market Orders, Science and Industry jobs, Pos Status, Shares (Not sure if you'd want to allow people to be able to manage these)
    Talk in your pod pilot's corp, personal and alliance chat channels



    Ship Crews
    The idea behind this feature is that you get a satisfying but not completely insane spreadsheets in space on cellphone mini game to play when you're away from eve, either at work or on holiday and away from an installed client.
    Access to this feature would be from cellphones, tablet pcs/ ipads, or via a normal web browser.

    Depending on your skills trained, you could have a limited amount of characters (10 maybe per account?)
    Crew can be fitted onto ships/ pos/ labs/ command centers and give bonuses and/or penalties depending on their skills and class.
    Each Ship, POS, Station, Lab and Command Center would have a limit to how many crew that can be fitted, relevant to its size and what it was.
    Crew start off as a particular class and get skills specific to the type you chose, but they'd be able to cross train or specialise just like pod pilots do in eve now.
    If you have a crew member fit to a ship you're currently flying, and its in the first slot, your voice notifications would change to match the sex and race of that crew member.


    Base Crew Class Types and Skill Catagories + Bonuses/ Penalties
    • Command - Gang and Corporation Management
    • Engineering - Capacitor and Power
    • Electronics - CPU, Electronic Warfare
    • Offensive - Gunnery and Missiles
    • Propulsion - Speed and Agility
    • Defensive - Shield, Hull and Armour
    • Research & Industry - Research, Science and Manufacturing


    Primary income for ship crew (other than selling items they've made or researched, isk they've won from gambling or racing) would be from wages recieved from renting them out to crew other people's ships or their pos/ station/ command centers/ labs.
    While you'd not be able to actually see whats happening to the ship they're currently flying on from a view like in the eve client, you could have some prerendered interior shots aswell as relevant notifications and news + map tools. Having a crew member on someone elses ship would also give you the oppurtunity to sabotage that ship, or to gather data from enemy forces.

    New Science, Research and Manufacturing Oppurtunities
    Introduce new levels of manufacturing, both final items and parts of manufactuing processes - T1 Blueprints, Learning Skills, Implants, Dust Items etc.
    Crews can be fit into POS, PI Command Centers, Labs and Stations to either research, invent or manufacture these new items.


    Pod/Fighter Racing
    Mini game where you can use your crew to pilot Fighter Bombers, Fighters and Drones and race for glory and isk, either in station arenas or on planets.


    Gambling
    Incrimentally introduce gambling extensions that would allow you to gamble away your isk.


    Ingame Chat and Eve Voice
    The ability to communicate in ingame chat channels or with eve-voice outside of the game, logged in with either with you main characters or your ship crew accounts.


    Ship Spinning and Item Database
    Spin ships on our phones, in browsers or on tables/ ipads, because it would be cool.
    Access to all the items in the database via a device that isn't your pc so that you can save screen realestate.



    Eve History, Roleplaying, Eve Novels, News and Devblogs
    Give us Access to everything in the title from this app.


    Footnote.
    This idea doesn't include anything you'd normally see with the ships in space full client, atleast not in the traditional 3d mode. Fighter racing and ship spinning would probably be the only things that would be rendered in a 3d engine until phones and technologies caught up. Everything else would be 2d.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t'amber View Post

    I'm getting GF rage, will continue when it has dispersed.
    Good luck with that

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    CCP are not interested in content.

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    would really love a viable mobile client. probably not able to undock for combat but hauling and administration would be kick ass.

    doubt it will ever happen, despite the fanfest nvidia gpu show off.

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    I actually love this idea. Never stop poasting!

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    If there's one company on this planet that can absolutely never ever ever get this to work even if they had all the help they'd need ...

    yep, you guessed it, that company is CCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMe View Post
    If there's one company on this planet that can absolutely never ever ever get this to work even if they had all the help they'd need ...

    yep, you guessed it, that company is CCP.
    I believe CCP can accomplish anything if they believe in it. They have however demonstrated time and time again that they do not believe in opening eve up to being played while not in the game. I mean seriously, how hard would it be to allow skill queuing via either the API or the web site.. What on earth would this remove from the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    I believe CCP can accomplish anything if they believe in it. They have however demonstrated time and time again that they do not believe in opening eve up to being played while not in the game. I mean seriously, how hard would it be to allow skill queuing via either the API or the web site.. What on earth would this remove from the game?
    I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their minds and this became some sort of expansion. I'd buy the app.

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    I actually develop mobile apps for a living and I can assure you that CCP cannot do this. Ever.

    Mobile apps live or die by their user experience design and interface. It has to be simple, clean and usable. That is against everything CCP has ever done, showed or promised. They'd have to hire a team of UX geniuses+developers (which they don't have the money for) to make it not suck.

    And then there's the thing with Incarna melting GPUs and CCP being highly invested in Microsoft technology which also means they are shit out of luck when it comes to making software that can work with low power and graphics system specs.


    CCP is not going to be able to do this. It would mean a paradigm shift in their design of software.

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    I'm actually kind of disturbed by the idea..... It would suck terribly if alliances now expect 24/7 presence or something because you know, you no longer need to be in front of your computer to be playing eve. Alternatively my trade route might have even more 0.01ing due to escalation thanks to improved access....

    As far as implementation, I think you can make a pure text client to play eve anyways, so processing power is a nonissue. Perhaps they should make a telnet interface....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_getter View Post
    As far as implementation, I think you can make a pure text client to play eve anyways, so processing power is a nonissue. Perhaps they should make a telnet interface....lol
    No way they're going to pull that one off either.
    It goes against their EVE IZFO' REALZ strategy. In a company that values graphical fluff higher than depth and/or content there's no place for practical stuff like that.

    The current disaster with turret icons shows you how disconnected from recent developments in design CCP are. They've got people who don't even know that an icon has to be iconic to really be usable. They took screenshots of their 3D models, scaled them down and thought that would improve things - when the truth was that the old icons were better and should not have been messed with at all (in fact they never should).

    CCP is a failed company since they're so inefficient at what they do. They got lucky by offering something we all love, raking in the cash and then they neglected staying up to date to current developments in tech, design, business, PR, community management, social media (god this is so embarrassing to even type). Their moderate customer base is what's keeping them alive and they're slowly chasing them away.

    Lately I honestly feel ashamed to still log into EVE to change skills now and then. CCP is disgusting.


    But wait, this was about mobile phones and eve, right?
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    They already had the idea ages ago. Several times actually. Never materialised, on a sidenote one such drama ultimately resulted in the treatment Capsuleer got - until its owners pulled the plug tired from waiting. The time where they could split off / add features dedicated to mobility gaming has passed, the app route is pretty much the only thing that still exists as option. Maybe nvidia will one day enable the client angle again, but that is such a fragmented market realm that you'd be stupid to build in any dependancies on / in gameplay through a mobility gaming angle depending on nvidia hardware solely. Which is basically why I just could not take that part of the circlejerk at fanfest serious. CCP still has a definite angle for cross devices gameplay, but only really through web paths. And well, web cell. Yeah.
    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMe View Post
    I actually develop mobile apps for a living and I can assure you that CCP cannot do this. Ever.

    Mobile apps live or die by their user experience design and interface. It has to be simple, clean and usable. That is against everything CCP has ever done, showed or promised. They'd have to hire a team of UX geniuses+developers (which they don't have the money for) to make it not suck.

    And then there's the thing with Incarna melting GPUs and CCP being highly invested in Microsoft technology which also means they are shit out of luck when it comes to making software that can work with low power and graphics system specs.


    CCP is not going to be able to do this. It would mean a paradigm shift in their design of software.
    I ran outta time to finish the post, but this idea wouldn't have any 3d aspects except for basic ship spinning and maybe the fighter racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtuozzo View Post
    They already had the idea ages ago. Several times actually. Never materialised, on a sidenote one such drama ultimately resulted in the treatment Capsuleer got - until its owners pulled the plug tired from waiting. The time where they could split off / add features dedicated to mobility gaming has passed, the app route is pretty much the only thing that still exists as option. Maybe nvidia will one day enable the client angle again, but that is such a fragmented market realm that you'd be stupid to build in any dependancies on / in gameplay through a mobility gaming angle depending on nvidia hardware solely. Which is basically why I just could not take that part of the circlejerk at fanfest serious. CCP still has a definite angle for cross devices gameplay, but only really through web paths. And well, web cell. Yeah.
    same as above. No ships in space in this app, its possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t'amber View Post
    same as above. No ships in space in this app, its possible.
    What's possible? Making an EVE mobile app? Sure it is. It would absolutely be possible to run a 3D client on an iPhone or such. I'm just saying CCP isn't going to pull it off and probably is not gong to help anyone make one on their own.

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    ship crew? what the fuck! another massive waste of time and click-dragging bullshit! who the fock needs a ship crew now that we've been flying without one for the past 9 fcking years! fuck you ccp! fuck you!

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    If crews are can not be trivially bought/cloned/totally_dehumanized/whatever, I totally am NOT undocking with my ship ever!

    I am reminded of my "no ship loss" homeworld run and the reload cycles that took no thanks to the kadashi swarmers. (at I gave up at the no capturable ship above corvettes must not die attempt...thankfully for my sanity)

    WTB a set of sansha true slaves. If you spend all these time doing tamagachi to train your crew up, letting them die is toooo cruel

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    nice ideas amber but won't happen. Another great idea would be a brwoser/mobile phone based simcity or whatever you'd like that. Instead of the current PI. meh

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    CCP had ample opportunity to use PI as a testbed for a minigame simultaneously released for the eve client and mobile. They had the perfect opportunity to just build a tiny, self contained minigame with actual gameplay and sell it as an additional extra for a few bucks to eve players on mobile.

    They chose not to. Now it'll be too late.

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    Texas hold'em poker game without you knowing who is who at the table to prevent scamming. You play with the ISK you have on your character of course.

    That lone cell phone ap sold for $1-2 instantly makes CCP half a million dollars. c/d?

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