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    John Lewis is one perpesctive, there are many other civil rights leaders that have said otherwise. A very common quote right now is "a riot is the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King Jr.

    Also in alot of areas people aren't burning down their houses, they are burning down building that hold little real value to the community. Is that going to be true all the time? No. Is it going to have consequences, yes. The perpesctive however is that they are willing to do this because they are, and many poor communites are similar, treated as if they do not matter. Why disapprove of their actions but not take direct action to assist them? Are you funding leftist organizations that seek change to police unions and power structures? If not why arne't you marching with people?

    Also again, the looting and arson bulllshit is such a small fraction that discrediting the whole thing is ridiculous. The reason it seems more prevalant now is largely that there are SO MANY PEOPLE PROTESTING. I don't think the majority of them are worried about looting, they are worried abotu police and the ssytem we have here. If things escalated and the ploice started shooting people, do you think you'd still be wringing hands over the rioting and how it's not the right course of action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    John Lewis is one perpesctive, there are many other civil rights leaders that have said otherwise. A very common quote right now is "a riot is the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King Jr.

    Also in alot of areas people aren't burning down their houses, they are burning down building that hold little real value to the community. Is that going to be true all the time? No. Is it going to have consequences, yes. The perpesctive however is that they are willing to do this because they are, and many poor communites are similar, treated as if they do not matter. Why disapprove of their actions but not take direct action to assist them? Are you funding leftist organizations that seek change to police unions and power structures? If not why arne't you marching with people?

    Also again, the looting and arson bulllshit is such a small fraction that discrediting the whole thing is ridiculous. The reason it seems more prevalant now is largely that there are SO MANY PEOPLE PROTESTING. I don't think the majority of them are worried about looting, they are worried abotu police and the ssytem we have here. If things escalated and the ploice started shooting people, do you think you'd still be wringing hands over the rioting and how it's not the right course of action?
    I'm gonna drop out of this for a while, but I want to give you credit where it's due Jack.

    You went out on the street, you protested, you had a voice, you took action.

    Good on you.


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    One quickie, President Obama posted a blog on this today, and it's a good read that I agree with fully.

    https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-...e-9fa209806067

    Well said Mr. President. Man, how far we have fallen since you left office...


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    I don't and since he was a Senator think lowly of Obama, but he was still a career politician and of despite his incredible oratory abilties and very capable statesmanship, he should know the system is so hard coded against change that even a president that ran on that slogan was able to do so little with control of both houses of Congress was still asked to be bipartisan and had to make concessions to right wing ideals. Also he was far from perfect and his many faults on speaking out against state violence are not to be excused.

    Still the dude was a magican with words and though I've always been repulsed by Bill Clinton, Obama was the pinacle of charisma and class for a president here. Not that it's a high bar but I do miss reading his speeches, even when I disagreed at least there were more than three words uttered in different forms and whole sentences.

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    dont worry everybody, joe has your back with the solution

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    and for anybody who might have missed it.

    should we do a US Civil war Clancy theorycrafting thread ?
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    dont worry everybody, joe has your back with the solution

    Jesus christ we're going to have 4+ more years of this bullshit

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    Biden being the most electable candidate the dems could find is honestly now hilarious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    and for anybody who might have missed it.

    should we do a US Civil war Clancy theorycrafting thread ?
    I mean that’s this thread, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    dont worry everybody, joe has your back with the solution

    Jesus christ we're going to have 4+ more years of this bullshit
    Both sides, etc.

    Remember those of us who have said “the Democrats are also bad,” to be met with cries of “well they’re not as bad a the Republicans!”

    Yes, well we see that truth illustrated here, where the leading Democrat posits that maiming people is better than killing them, rather than suggesting that the police just not shoot people.

    Leading Democrats have no imagination or ability to conceive the degree to which they are part of the problem, or what might be done to make things better. The issue to them isn’t a militarized police state killing people, it’s that the militarized police state is killing people too graphically to avoid stirring up unrest.
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    "Show them my fist" - Overlord Trump, to youth battalions prior to the 7th Pacification of the Colorado Wasteland, 2023

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    "Show them my fist" - Overlord Trump, to youth battalions prior to the 7th Pacification of the Colorado Wasteland, 2023
    Tiny fist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    and for anybody who might have missed it.

    should we do a US Civil war Clancy theorycrafting thread ?
    I mean that’s this thread, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    One quickie, President Obama posted a blog on this today, and it's a good read that I agree with fully.

    https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-...e-9fa209806067

    Well said Mr. President. Man, how far we have fallen since you left office...
    On the other hand, the small minority of folks who’ve resorted to violence in various forms, whether out of genuine anger or mere opportunism, are putting innocent people at risk, compounding the destruction of neighborhoods that are often already short on services and investment and detracting from the larger cause. I saw an elderly black woman being interviewed today in tears because the only grocery store in her neighborhood had been trashed. If history is any guide, that store may take years to come back. So let’s not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves.
    Doesn't mention the violent reaction of police across the country. Doesn't mention an NYPD guy pointing his gun at protesters, or cops hoisting up a thin blue line flag on municipal property. He only has process criticism for the protest and placing all the obligations for non-violence and civility on the protesters.

    The man knows to craft an argument, and he's more convincing than 90% of the pundits or politicians. But he's still following the same script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    One quickie, President Obama posted a blog on this today, and it's a good read that I agree with fully.

    https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-...e-9fa209806067

    Well said Mr. President. Man, how far we have fallen since you left office...
    On the other hand, the small minority of folks who’ve resorted to violence in various forms, whether out of genuine anger or mere opportunism, are putting innocent people at risk, compounding the destruction of neighborhoods that are often already short on services and investment and detracting from the larger cause. I saw an elderly black woman being interviewed today in tears because the only grocery store in her neighborhood had been trashed. If history is any guide, that store may take years to come back. So let’s not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves.
    Doesn't mention the violent reaction of police across the country. Doesn't mention an NYPD guy pointing his gun at protesters, or cops hoisting up a thin blue line flag on municipal property. He only has process criticism for the protest and placing all the obligations for non-violence and civility on the protesters.

    The man knows to craft an argument, and he's more convincing than 90% of the pundits or politicians. But he's still following the same script.
    No you see, he's genuinely concerned about the underlying issue. He's so deeply concerned he doesn't even talk about it outside the context of rioting and unrest.

    But he genuinely cares, as he repeatedly assures you. He's really worried about how the violence is muddying the message.

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    Wait, when did Aea get radicalised?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    dont worry everybody, joe has your back with the solution

    Jesus christ we're going to have 4+ more years of this bullshit
    Both sides, etc.

    Remember those of us who have said “the Democrats are also bad,” to be met with cries of “well they’re not as bad a the Republicans!”

    Yes, well we see that truth illustrated here, where the leading Democrat posits that maiming people is better than killing them, rather than suggesting that the police just not shoot people.

    Leading Democrats have no imagination or ability to conceive the degree to which they are part of the problem, or what might be done to make things better. The issue to them isn’t a militarized police state killing people, it’s that the militarized police state is killing people too graphically to avoid stirring up unrest.
    So pointing out, that in the very history of this forum, "shooting them in the leg" is, in fact, the preferred European de-escalation tactic to most of where a US cop would have applied lethal force, so, nah
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    One quickie, President Obama posted a blog on this today, and it's a good read that I agree with fully.

    https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-...e-9fa209806067

    Well said Mr. President. Man, how far we have fallen since you left office...
    On the other hand, the small minority of folks who’ve resorted to violence in various forms, whether out of genuine anger or mere opportunism, are putting innocent people at risk, compounding the destruction of neighborhoods that are often already short on services and investment and detracting from the larger cause. I saw an elderly black woman being interviewed today in tears because the only grocery store in her neighborhood had been trashed. If history is any guide, that store may take years to come back. So let’s not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves.
    Doesn't mention the violent reaction of police across the country. Doesn't mention an NYPD guy pointing his gun at protesters, or cops hoisting up a thin blue line flag on municipal property. He only has process criticism for the protest and placing all the obligations for non-violence and civility on the protesters.

    The man knows to craft an argument, and he's more convincing than 90% of the pundits or politicians. But he's still following the same script.
    No you see, he's genuinely concerned about the underlying issue. He's so deeply concerned he doesn't even talk about it outside the context of rioting and unrest.

    But he genuinely cares, as he repeatedly assures you. He's really worried about how the violence is muddying the message.
    Well, I'm glad Aea finally made it clear that he cares more about Black People than President Obama does.


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