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Thread: Dos Dedos Mis Amigos (USA Civil Unrest Thread)

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    content-time, the guy from "Behind the bastards" and the now year old speculative podcast "it could happen here" (that is mighty uncomfortable to listen to right now) here is a deep-dive into the history and tactics of american policing.

    please give the first episode of "it could happen here" a listen btw, it's pretty eerie.
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    Quick question. Why the FUCK is this and the US politics thread not just rolled into one. Your broken country is leaking all over the place and its tiring

    Thread title promised a week of this
    Think it would be a good idea to merge em. Will do it if people don't get mad, any good reason not to merge?
    i disagree, there is a lot of stuff going on that is tangentially related to the ongoing protests and COVID but doesn't involve people getting their skulls fractured by beanbags on the regular.

    you could, conceivably, merge this, the politics and the pandemic thread on that basis, it's all deeply interlinked and feeding off each other.
    We should just merge all the threads to one and realize that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
    If, like Bill, the muricans just posted a single good point ever, and then fortunately died before inevitably going on to make terrible posts for years and years with increasingly thin material, i wouldn't be complaining.
    nah, just ban the limeys from the US-owned site
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    I'll just merge all the threads on FHC into the moderation discussion thread
    once again, Helgur proves that all mods are indeed bastards.
    That's a funny way of saying "I wish to spend some time in Gulag"

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    I'll just merge all the threads on FHC into the moderation discussion thread
    once again, Helgur proves that all mods are indeed bastards.
    That's a funny way of saying "I wish to spend some time in Gulag"
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    I can hear walrus reeeeeing way from over here.
    Why am I reeeeeing?
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
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    I can hear walrus reeeeeing way from over here.
    Why am I reeeeeing?
    erich stole your content.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    I can hear walrus reeeeeing way from over here.
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    erich stole your content.
    Was commenting how couple of posts later Erich posted the same link you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
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    I can hear walrus reeeeeing way from over here.
    Why am I reeeeeing?
    erich stole your content.
    Was commenting how couple of posts later Erich posted the same link you did.
    Heh, he even copypasted the same exact paragraph.
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    walrus isnt a bad poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
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    I can hear walrus reeeeeing way from over here.
    Why am I reeeeeing?
    erich stole your content.
    Was commenting how couple of posts later Erich posted the same link you did.
    Heh, he even copypasted the same exact paragraph.
    A quote worthy of amplification
    meh

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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Anarchists can be (yes I know they are never, but they can be) peaceful protestors as well! That is discrimination against anarchists!

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    the bits i find most important is all the things the statement does not say, and the implied "red scare" anarchist-thrown-under-the-bus-as-criminals (most of the american far left identify as anarchists, not communists, in no small part due to optics) bit, it rather clearly aligns Biden as on the side of the state, fundamentally against and unwilling to address the causes of the protests, but also against trump. at no point does he actually address the role of law enforcement. the whole statement is basically being received as him saying "i do not object to what trump is doing, i object to the tone and optics of the method he is using to do it."
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    what do you expect, man's got an election to win in a country that elected trump - a country that lets a man like Tom Cotton not only walk around unfettered but hold high elected office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    what do you expect, man's got an election to win in a country that elected trump - a country that lets a man like Tom Cotton not only walk around unfettered but hold high elected office.
    principles would be a place to start, perhaps a bit of political instinct too.

    principles in the sense that one does not combat fascism by negotiating with it, one does not combat fascism by pretending it's not happening, and one does not combat fascism with nostalgic references to when he and his buddy Obama ran things. you step up and take it head on, he could have deplored the violence, criticised the property destruction but called what's happening in Portland for what it is. in terms of political instinct he could have used that as a launching platform for a "principled stand for our rights and constitution" type rhetoric, there is every opportunity to denounce trump, rightfully so, as a authoritarian strongman without resorting to the usual inter-party bickering. he could literately launch a cross-party bid on that basis, because it's something you can get every American behind, promising to end the violence, on both sides, promise a token compromise and reform to the protesters and diligent prosecution of the people involved in the violence to the parts of the republican base he so desperately wants to capture.

    it's a fairly low risk strategy in the current environment too, his status as a presidential candidate grants him effective immunity, any authoritarian move, by trump, would simply dig the hole even deeper making Biden's argument for him, this of course requires a willingness to bet that the institutions of america puts greater stock in principles than raw naked power, there is a significant risk of further escalation down this path, but that escalation is being edged on by the administration already.

    from there, we're probably past the eviction disaster getting underway, so take a page out of FDR's book and start addressing it, in public, step by step, it doesn't have to work and in all likelihood it will not work, but that is not the point, the point is to build the narrative of a better America under his leadership, to show a way forward that doesn't involve entirely reaction-based politics as demonstrated by Trump.

    of course, all of that requires somebody nowhere near as politically compromised, or deeply on the downward slope as Biden is to pull off, it would require some charisma and a degree of brinkmanship he does not have, indeed that miliquetoast response is probably as strong as it's ever going to be, and it's not going to make things better, it's just further widening the gap between the "left" and the "democrats".
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Last edited by Liare; July 29 2020 at 01:53:09 AM.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Absolute fucking kip of a country

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    If only there were rights enshrined in the constitution for situations like this
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