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    Weird how the feds are now able to call any protest a riot simply by escalating violence on peaceful protestors and give everyone involved a criminal record.

    Great land of the free you have there.
    this is not new or isolated to the US though.
    it's always been like this, it's why anybody who's done any sort of serious protesting go "LAWL, YOU FUCKING DUMBASS!" when people start being angry about riots.

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    Weird how the feds are now able to call any protest a riot simply by escalating violence on peaceful protestors and give everyone involved a criminal record.

    Great land of the free you have there.
    From a pastor describing what happened at another church in Louisville:

    People in Louisville are protesting. They are angry. It is time for change. First Unitarian Church has been designated a safe house, a place people can go for respite. The city said churches can stay open and no one will be bothered going in or out. They lied. Last night, as hundreds of people were getting water and room to breathe, the police declared curfew 30 minutes early and surrounded the church, making everyone inside a criminal. The standoff went on for hours.
    Yeah. Fuck the law, you're criminals if we decide you are.
    you're starting to comprehend where ACAB comes from, keep digging mate, it's a fairly benign bit of fuckery in the grand scheme of things.
    Starting? Do you have me confused for someone else?
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    Imagine being one of the most powerful groups in the country and doing the bidding of corporate interests so you can keep your "unions" instead of doing anything useful of meaningful at all. Congrats you are now imagining the police.

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    One of the strongest orgs in local politics, pensions that nobody else has, lifetime employment, reliable middle-class salary, no repercussions. Why would they do anything to jeopardize that?

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    the IWW is here to save the day with the correct take.
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    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    So have you any proof of these being deployed apart from a picture of a badgeless, faceless 'policeman' holding one along with your insinuations that US police are now seeking to electroshock 'peaceful protestors' to death?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
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    So have you any proof of these being deployed apart from a picture of a badgeless, faceless 'policeman' holding one along with your insinuations that US police are now seeking to electroshock 'peaceful protestors' to death?
    Jesus, it's like a whole damned herd of sea lions.
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    honestly, Lark raises a reasonable point here, first off taser systems rely on high voltage/low current to work, but in order for it to work it will need to pass trough whatever barriers there is to get to the skin, regular tasers solve that with the spikes that fire into you and shock you, it bypasses the clothing barrier that way. these shields do not, meaning for them to have a reasonable effect on somebody wearing 2-3 layers of clothing (t-shirt, shirt, jacket) the voltage required is significantly higher, to the extend that it would be risky, if not outright fatal if that was applied to somebody with less insulation, and/or covered in moisture.

    in effect, there is a non-zero chance of these things literately killing people in riot control situations, the US is rapidly going down the slippery slope, but is it that far down yet ? i don't think so, we would know rather quickly by the outrage if they did use them. more likely this was Mississippi law enforcement showing off they have these as intimidation tactic, that in itself is worrisome enough though, the tech itself works as can be evidenced by the fact a number of US prisons use these for inmate riot control. (where the "clothing layer" is more of a known entity)

    of course, i can't seem to find the point where it was said or implied it's being used, nor is the implied "ITS ANTIFA MISINFORMATION" claim he rolls out substantiated, but then that's our resident fascist for you really. the occasional not-unreasonable point in a mountain of shitty stinky right wing talking points nobody takes seriously.


    edit : have some LAWNORDAR from LASD

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    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    our resident fascist
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    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Good...

    Portland's Mayor and DA have allowed the situation to continue for months without action. The occassional 'catch and release' hasn't done any good.


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    At a guess, I’m going to say those taser shields become a liability when condoms full of conductive liquid start flying.
    meh

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    In Texas you can defend yourself against a peace officer who acts unlawfully. If you do you aren't charged with crimes that resulted from your defense (resisting arrest, assaulting a peace officer, etc) and if the officer dies the charges can't go above manslaughter. There's nuance to it but here's the whole statue

    https://texas.public.law/statutes/te...e_section_9.31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    In Texas you can defend yourself against a peace officer who acts unlawfully. If you do you aren't charged with crimes that resulted from your defense (resisting arrest, assaulting a peace officer, etc) and if the officer dies the charges can't go above manslaughter. There's nuance to it but here's the whole statue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    In Texas you can defend yourself against a peace officer who acts unlawfully. If you do you aren't charged with crimes that resulted from your defense (resisting arrest, assaulting a peace officer, etc) and if the officer dies the charges can't go above manslaughter. There's nuance to it but here's the whole statue

    https://texas.public.law/statutes/te...e_section_9.31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
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    So have you any proof of these being deployed apart from a picture of a badgeless, faceless 'policeman' holding one along with your insinuations that US police are now seeking to electroshock 'peaceful protestors' to death?
    Deployed? Yes.

    Not actually used though, because of the shitstorm it provoked they were pulled out of use almost immediately.

    https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/lo...F5UMEX6Y3X7O4/

    The area only had peaceful protests and they intended to use them, so they absolutely were going to electroshock peaceful protestors until it turned out this was a step too far.

    Every electroshock has the risk of death, so intending to use them implicitly means accepting the risk of electroshocking peaceful protestors to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    So have you any proof of these being deployed apart from a picture of a badgeless, faceless 'policeman' holding one along with your insinuations that US police are now seeking to electroshock 'peaceful protestors' to death?
    Deployed? Yes.

    Not actually used though, because of the shitstorm it provoked they were pulled out of use almost immediately.

    https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/lo...F5UMEX6Y3X7O4/

    The area only had peaceful protests and they intended to use them, so they absolutely were going to electroshock peaceful protestors until it turned out this was a step too far.

    Every electroshock has the risk of death, so intending to use them implicitly means accepting the risk of electroshocking peaceful protestors to death.
    Fair. I'll add that twatting a 'peaceful' protester with a rubber bullet, shield or a baton has a risk of death... Use of a 'spicy shield' might reduce the risk of death compared to other riot control methods.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    In Texas you can defend yourself against a peace officer who acts unlawfully. If you do you aren't charged with crimes that resulted from your defense (resisting arrest, assaulting a peace officer, etc) and if the officer dies the charges can't go above manslaughter. There's nuance to it but here's the whole statue

    https://texas.public.law/statutes/te...e_section_9.31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    In Texas you can defend yourself against a peace officer who acts unlawfully. If you do you aren't charged with crimes that resulted from your defense (resisting arrest, assaulting a peace officer, etc) and if the officer dies the charges can't go above manslaughter. There's nuance to it but here's the whole statue

    https://texas.public.law/statutes/te...e_section_9.31
    And there's the loophole:
    A person who has a right to be present at the location where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before using force as described by this section.
    Any assembly, lawful or not, could be considered a provocation.
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    I mean knowing the police here, despite being fat out of shape ham creatures they'd strap a few extra car batteries on to ensure a few deaths.

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