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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Anarchists arnt a persecuted ethnic group, they're not even real adult people
    considering the behavior of the US government, you can argue they're a persecuted political group.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Anarchism means no goverment, not governance.

    I should start writing this on people's foreheads, maybe this way they will remember.
    lenin understood that for the revolution to succeed the anarchists had to be purged

    anarchists are the biggest threat to any revolutionary movement on the left


    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Oh no I'm not joking at all. Anarchists are useless idiots who will never accomplish anything positive, whose ideology is quite literally poison to the left. We can see just how successful anarchists are when you look at the current state of the US left which heavily skews anarchist and has failed to accomplish literally anything and has in fact turned popular sentiment against the left. Par for course for the anarchist movements in history.
    that's some pretty strong stuff you're huffing there, do share with the rest of us.

    there has already been explicit positive outcomes from the protesting, a number of cities including Minneapolis and Seattle are moving towards defunding their police departments in favour of more social outreach, but apparently because there's no red banner over the white house it's all a total failure right ?
    Yeah, actually. Or more realistically, because there's literally no candidate willing to make concessions to the working class a la FDR, all of these movements are going to end in failure.

    You really underestimate the power of the federal purse in US politics. That "anarchist city" designation or whatever that pulls federal funding is fucking huge. It does not work in reverse either- cities and individuals still have to pay tax or they will feel the absolute boot of the Feds come down on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    I don't think you really know anything about Eugene Debs or Rosa Luxembourg, both were communist martyrs who probably had to struggle daily against the influence of useless anarchist twats.
    especially Luxenburg spend as much time shitting on Lenin as she did on Liberals after the russiian revolution precisely because of the persecution of non party members, Luxenburg argued for a inclusive democratic approach explicitly intended to marginalize the party after taking power, in order to prevent the party becoming autocratic, precisely the shitshow that happened in Russia.

    she was much closer aligned with the modern "autonomist left" in Europe than anything in the Marxist Leninist tradition, the very people you're shitting on here.
    I seriously, seriously dispute that Rosa Luxembourg aligns more with the US anarchist left than with Lenin, she was literally held up as an icon by Lenin and Trotsky. She has far more in common with them than with bearded fools like Bakunin and Kropotkin.
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    "Anarchist Jurisdiction" doesn't even work as an english sentence.

    Just like most of the things these anti-american, Trump felching idiots say and think. Wake me up when they actual _do_ something, and its not just all big, retard fascist, baby talk.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Yeah, actually. Or more realistically, because there's literally no candidate willing to make concessions to the working class a la FDR, all of these movements are going to end in failure.

    You really underestimate the power of the federal purse in US politics. That "anarchist city" designation or whatever that pulls federal funding is fucking huge. It does not work in reverse either- cities and individuals still have to pay tax or they will feel the absolute boot of the Feds come down on them.
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.

    the only "revolutionary movement" in America right now is the one that exists soley within the fevered imagination of a small group of terminally online american tankies who are allergic to sunlight, so they instead incessantly whine about idpol and how anarchists are worse than nazis. so, pretty much what you're doing right now.

    ideological dogma is a spook, the relevance of Marx's, Lenin's and Luxenburg's writings today, 100 years later is questionable at best, there are lessons to be learned and insights to be gained, but their argumentation is only really valuable in broad terms, the days of mass revolutionary movements springing from the loins of the herculean proletariat are gone, and arguably never existed in the first place, larping as if the ideological conflict between anarchism and marxist-leninism is the most important thing right now and somehow a unbridgeable chasm is peak basement-dwellerism.

    you are demonstrating precisely why praxis is valued over theory here, because this is meaningless sectarian wank only relevant for theory nerds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    I seriously, seriously dispute that Rosa Luxembourg aligns more with the US anarchist left than with Lenin, she was literally held up as an icon by Lenin and Trotsky. She has far more in common with them than with bearded fools like Bakunin and Kropotkin.
    then you haven't actually read her, "Dialectic of Spontaneity and Organisation" core argument is that revolutionary organization must be grass-roots and divorced from the party hierarchy, the party's role is to shape the conditions that allow this to happen, she rejected the vanguard party as the leader and governor of the revolution and argued, in essence, that it was for the workers to figure out. the role of the party was to shape the conditions to allow this to take place.

    The modern proletarian class does not carry out its struggle according to a plan set out in some book or theory; the modern workers' struggle is a part of history, a part of social progress, and in the middle of history, in the middle of progress, in the middle of the fight, we learn how we must fight. [...] That's exactly what is laudable about it, that's exactly why this colossal piece of culture, within the modern workers' movement, is epoch-defining: that the great masses of the working people first forge from their own consciousness, from their own belief, and even from their own understanding the weapons of their own liberation.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"
    because it's something very different and possibly much worse happening.
    if there was popular backing for a full on revolt, it would have happened years ago, around the time it was obvious that Iraq and Afghanistan was going to be precisely the shitshows they became. instead we get to watch as capitalism decays into fascism in a supercharged fashion due to COVID.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"
    I mean at least he has a grasp of reality, you seem to have no real grasp of what's happening and can't argue shit, or just resort to "lol i will say mem shit" when you can't figure out a concept, AW is a moron that should stay in his little cave of madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"
    I mean at least he has a grasp of reality, you seem to have no real grasp of what's happening and can't argue shit, or just resort to "lol i will say mem shit" when you can't figure out a concept, AW is a moron that should stay in his little cave of madness.
    I guess I made fun of you too many times? why dont you call the hall monitor about it you whiny little retard

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    get a room you two.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"
    I'm still yet to be proven wrong on what I said about anarchism mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    lol AW went all in when all he had to do was make fun of Venec for another cringe post

    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you've already declared everything utterly failed because the red brigades haven't stormed the white house and shot Trump on the lawn. the year is not 1917 and Trump is not the tsar, the dynamics are very different as are the people involved.
    sir, how can you say such a thing? You're our High Priest of "It's Happening!"
    I'm still yet to be proven wrong on what I said about anarchism mate.
    No you're correct about the distinction between self-governance and government, I just think anarchism or self-governance is only relevant as a survival tool and defense mechanism when things start to break down. That is different from a lifestyle, political ideology, or form of governance that the bulk of people actually want.

    There's already little groupings coming together in mutual aid because the government has failed to offer the aid they need to survive. In America you can already read about a bunch of evicted/broke people coming together at an abandoned hotel to form their own rules and pool their resources to make it through covid. But I consider that a different situation than say, activists in Portland proactively forming an autonomous zone.

    While little zones and communes and societies are absolutely going to form, I doubt they'll have the staying power because Americans or Westerners for that matter are not wired for that life.

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    So the cringe comment was just the traditional leftie infighting, gotcha.

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    so, are we talking social-anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, or, like, which anarchism?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    So the cringe comment was just the traditional leftie infighting, gotcha.
    yes, thats what we do around here

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    so, are we talking social-anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, or, like, which anarchism?
    Posadism with anarchistic characteristics.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    so, are we talking social-anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, or, like, which anarchism?
    Posadism with anarchistic characteristics.
    From Wikipedia: One of the most well-known positions of J. Posadas was his enthusiasm for nuclear war. More precisely, at the height of the Cold War, Posadas thought that nuclear war was inevitable. His idea was that rather than wait for the forces of capitalism, the nuclear-armed socialist states should launch a preemptive attack that would destroy the nuclear capabilities of capitalist countries. Additionally, he believed that this sort of catastrophe could spark the world revolution.
    Sounds great, let me just get my sunglasses and a nice snifter of my best single malt before the apocalypse starts.

    Gotta love a guy who 1. was wrong about the inevitability of cold war nuclear exchange and 2. seemingly had no moral concerns promoting the deaths of billions of innocents to get to his "world revolution to destroy capitalism".

    Good times, bet he was a blast at parties.

    Well, he was an Ancient Aliens guy, so maybe he was more fun than I give him credit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    so, are we talking social-anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, or, like, which anarchism?
    Posadism with anarchistic characteristics.
    From Wikipedia: One of the most well-known positions of J. Posadas was his enthusiasm for nuclear war. More precisely, at the height of the Cold War, Posadas thought that nuclear war was inevitable. His idea was that rather than wait for the forces of capitalism, the nuclear-armed socialist states should launch a preemptive attack that would destroy the nuclear capabilities of capitalist countries. Additionally, he believed that this sort of catastrophe could spark the world revolution.
    Sounds great, let me just get my sunglasses and a nice snifter of my best single malt before the apocalypse starts.

    Gotta love a guy who 1. was wrong about the inevitability of cold war nuclear exchange and 2. seemingly had no moral concerns promoting the deaths of billions of innocents to get to his "world revolution to destroy capitalism".

    Good times, bet he was a blast at parties.

    Well, he was an Ancient Aliens guy, so maybe he was more fun than I give him credit.
    Posadism is a meme, nobody takes it seriously, something broke in Posadas mind after a extensive torture session at the hands of the argentine junta, hence the new-age and alien babble.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    so, are we talking social-anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, or, like, which anarchism?
    I'd like to try the anarcho-syndicalism with a side of Bundschuh, waiter.
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