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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    btw noone wants to get rid of the police. We just want them to be better. And to have other services available so the Police aren't so required in the first place.
    *cough*
    I for one want to contract security for gated communities out to people like ex-mossad, ex-navy seals, ex-spetnaz instead of the police.

    Or alternatively, for poor people, they should pay the Mafia for protection.

    You know, friendly people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    btw noone wants to get rid of the police. We just want them to be better. And to have other services available so the Police aren't so required in the first place.
    *cough*
    I for one want to contract security for gated communities out to people like ex-mossad, ex-navy seals, ex-spetnaz instead of the police.

    Or alternatively, for poor people, they should pay the Mafia for protection.

    You know, friendly people!
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    I for one, *still* want a colour-change Mafia Windbreaker.
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    Yeah I remember after the election trying to discuss things with right wing die hards. Having an open mind but being met with fox news speaking points, bullshit about emails and bengazi, endless bullshit about democrats raising taxes and just general racist crap meant the discussion was me listening to someone that had stopped using reality as a place to exist in.

    I dont disagree with the sentiment of your post Alistair, I mean i think wearing body armor without a weapon isn't a. Issue, but yes we should still strive for a civil society. The facts however show militia and hardliner factions, often right wing in idealogy, have been and will continue abandoning such efforts and letting someone roll over you doesnt yield a peaceful outcome. Ever.

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    https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east...-chasing-ink--

    “It is very disturbing – to say the least – that gangs are commonly known to exist within the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. These reports go to the heart of our concerns that the Sheriff’s Department promotes and harbors a culture of violence against the public. Make no mistake, we have every intention of conducting a thorough investigation into the potential involvement of any Sheriff’s Department gang in the shooting of Andres Guardado.”

    More than a dozen deputies have matching tattoos and belong to a violent clique called the Executioners at the station, according to Deputy Art Gonzalez, who filed a whistleblower complaint regarding the Executioners in June.

    “I now call them a gang because that’s what gangs do – they beat up other people,” Gonzalez said.

    His sworn testimony obtained by Spectrum News 1 is for a separate excessive force case filed against Los Angeles County. The deputies in the lawsuit are accused of “chasing ink” – slang for trying to impress the Executioners to join their group.

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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods
    i must admit i am more than a little bemused by the response to that Trump-convoy thing in Portland by large chunks of especially liberal Reddit.
    to sum it up succinctly, it goes like this : "well, just dont go out then, dont give them the confrontations they want!"

    so, the solution to police providing escort and assistance to a group of right wing loons rolling into town causing havoc and inciting violence is simply to cede the streets where you live to them, hoping they will go away ? really ?
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods
    i must admit i am more than a little bemused by the response to that Trump-convoy thing in Portland by large chunks of especially liberal Reddit.
    to sum it up succinctly, it goes like this : "well, just dont go out then, dont give them the confrontations they want!"

    so, the solution to police providing escort and assistance to a group of right wing loons rolling into town causing havoc and inciting violence is simply to cede the streets where you live to them, hoping they will go away ? really ?
    It reminds of something Orwell says about the British ruling class in one of his essays.
    They could not struggle against Nazism or Fascism, because they could not understand them. Neither could they have struggled against Communism, if Communism had been a serious force in western Europe. To understand Fascism they would have had to study the theory of Socialism, which would have forced them to realise that the economic system by which they lived was unjust, inefficient and out of date. But it was exactly this fact that they had trained themselves never to face. They dealt with Fascism as the cavalry generals of 1914 dealt with the machine gun – by ignoring it.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods
    i must admit i am more than a little bemused by the response to that Trump-convoy thing in Portland by large chunks of especially liberal Reddit.
    to sum it up succinctly, it goes like this : "well, just dont go out then, dont give them the confrontations they want!"

    so, the solution to police providing escort and assistance to a group of right wing loons rolling into town causing havoc and inciting violence is simply to cede the streets where you live to them, hoping they will go away ? really ?
    This local news video seems to show that the Trump rally was largely peaceful but when they drove through Portland they were confronted by people who came out to start shit with them. The police should separate them and the major office suspend the rally. I don't know how is in US but in Europe you need a permit to organisa a rally, with route, place and estimated number of participants. Base on that the police put in place security measures too protect the participants and bystanders. Free protests are a constitutional right but is regulated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods
    i must admit i am more than a little bemused by the response to that Trump-convoy thing in Portland by large chunks of especially liberal Reddit.
    to sum it up succinctly, it goes like this : "well, just dont go out then, dont give them the confrontations they want!"

    so, the solution to police providing escort and assistance to a group of right wing loons rolling into town causing havoc and inciting violence is simply to cede the streets where you live to them, hoping they will go away ? really ?
    This local news video seems to show that the Trump rally was largely peaceful but when they drove through Portland they were confronted by people who came out to start shit with them. The police should separate them and the major office suspend the rally. I don't know how is in US but in Europe you need a permit to organisa a rally, with route, place and estimated number of participants. Base on that the police put in place security measures too protect the participants and bystanders. Free protests are a constitutional right but is regulated.

    so peaceful that they broke away from the pre-planned route and started roaming downtown portland with paintball guns (with ball bearings of course) and assaulting a number of people.
    of course it was entirely incidental, it's not like a significant chunk of those cars had taped up plates that the PPB blissfully ignored.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Im sure change can be made peacefully and away from nice neighborhoods
    i must admit i am more than a little bemused by the response to that Trump-convoy thing in Portland by large chunks of especially liberal Reddit.
    to sum it up succinctly, it goes like this : "well, just dont go out then, dont give them the confrontations they want!"

    so, the solution to police providing escort and assistance to a group of right wing loons rolling into town causing havoc and inciting violence is simply to cede the streets where you live to them, hoping they will go away ? really ?
    It reminds of something Orwell says about the British ruling class in one of his essays.
    They could not struggle against Nazism or Fascism, because they could not understand them. Neither could they have struggled against Communism, if Communism had been a serious force in western Europe. To understand Fascism they would have had to study the theory of Socialism, which would have forced them to realise that the economic system by which they lived was unjust, inefficient and out of date. But it was exactly this fact that they had trained themselves never to face. They dealt with Fascism as the cavalry generals of 1914 dealt with the machine gun – by ignoring it.
    I was gonna say, nothing about that reaction is particularly surprising.

    Then again, EVE did prove the effectiveness of the tactic of not giving reds :goodfights: and boring them into ineffectiveness.

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    Hasn't EVE been like 10 years of cold war between reds at this point?

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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    AN OPEN LETTER TO THE CRAFT BEER COMMUNITY, THE TOWN OF SEASIDE, THE STATE OF OREGON, AND TO AMERICA.

    On August 8th a group of armed men and women staged a rally in Seaside, Oregon, directly across from our brewery and brewpub. This rally was political in nature, and many of the participants of this rally were openly carrying loaded AR-15 style assault weapons, sidearms, bats, swords, knives, etc. There was no counter rally or protest at this location.

    As the rally continued and the honking and noise and activity increased, many families became concerned for their safety and began leaving the area we had created outside in our parking lot, designed to provide a safer environment for people to eat outside with their families during a difficult pandemic summer at the coast. Many of these families remarked they would not be returning again to Seaside because of the assault rifles they were seeing paraded up and down the street. One of these men with an assault rifle in front of our brewery was actually arrested for shooting at protesters in Portland just days later. As a result of these events, we felt deep concern for the safety of our staff and customers, and at the next city council meeting we voiced those concerns. We did not take a political stance. We believe everyone can believe what they will, and that includes us. We did however, take a stand that we do not think marching through the streets of a small family friendly coastal town with loaded assault rifles is a good idea. It is in fact, an awful idea. Families were terrified, and left.

    It was proposed by us, that we as a community begin a conversation to figure out how to prevent armed groups from marching in our streets with loaded assault weapons. We asked that the council help us find a way to keep our community safe, our police force and first responders safe, and that we do something quickly to keep the reputation of our small coastal town intact so that families could feel safe when they come here as well.

    The next day the local paper wrote an article, detailing parts of that discussion at the council meeting, and almost immediately, the phone and internet threats began pouring in from this group and its supporters. An event was posted by this particular group from the rally threatening us and called for an open carry rally to take place at our brewery this upcoming Sunday in an obvious effort to intimidate, terrorize, and punish the brewery for speaking up for our community's safety and exercising our 1st Amendment rights to free speech.

    We now are forced to take to the internet and make sure people understand that WE ARE NOT HOSTING THIS EVENT. We contacted Facebook and reported that the event was not ours, but they responded by saying that though they regret that we may have been offended by this event listing us as the location for their rally, it didn't meet their standards for removal. Our response to Facebook will be coming later and it won't be pretty. We did not ask for these groups to come to our brewery or to target us. We didn't target them at the council meeting. We simply asked for help from the city council to help resolve what was CLEARLY becoming a serious problem in our community, namely loaded assault rifles around children and families. So just in case anybody out there is confused what we are about, let us be clear. We are a community based business. We are an inclusive business. We love all our employees regardless of their race, sexual orientation, gender, or political affiliation. We are NOT ok with racism in any form. We do NOT promote or accept fascism in any form. We ARE conscientious allies of any conversation furthering any productive discussions surrounding racial equality, and reform of any system that does not provide that for every single person in our community. We do not know, or belong to, or speak for any Antifa group. We do not know, belong to, or speak for BLM. We are not gun rights advocates OR opponents of the 2nd amendment. However, we do NOT appreciate nor will we accept, or remain silent, or be intimidated or terrorized by groups with guns or other weapons in our community.

    We reject any characterizations to the contrary these groups may try to paint us with. We brew beer, we smoke BBQ, we promote our amazing community, we love the beach, and we are excellent to each other. We don't know what this rally will look like on Sunday. We ask that everyone do everything they can to stay safe, and to avoid any confrontation with these groups who are clearly looking for a fight. We refuse to buy into the anger. As Americans, we have always had a rich history of spirited debate and dialogue with each other. It's part of who we are. We should be able to yell at each other, stand across the street and shout, get nose to nose, hug it out, argue with each other some more, and find a way to love each other at the end of it all, without making each other fear for our lives or safety. None of those things are possible when loaded assault rifles and other weapons are involved in that exchange. An exchange that helps define what we need to do to move the ball forward as a community, and helps strengthen and support the foundations of our democracy through conversation, and subsequently, understanding of each other.

    Let's keep the dialogue going. Let's leave the guns at home. Let's not hurt each other. And let's remember that community is all we have, and remember that the definition of community means ALL of us. All we want is for us to have a safe place where good people can gather and have a pint of really good beer and good food and be able to connect with each other. That's it. That is all. If you can get down with that, we can provide the space. If you can't, pick somewhere else to go, and let us drink our beer in peace. Everybody take a breath. Everybody remember that we all need each other, especially right now at this point in our history as a nation, and that we all want the same thing... Safety and opportunity for our families, our friends, and ourselves.

    Don't let them divide us. Put the guns down. Grab a beer. Let's talk.

    Cheers~

    Jimmy Griffin

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    Alistair, do you really think urban protests against police are the greater threat to public safety and/or your personal safety?
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    When you as a suburbanite think protesters are more dangerous than right wing miltias you are a fucking problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    When you as a suburbanite think protesters are more dangerous than right wing miltias you are a fucking problem.
    Well as a suburbanite you might think those militia's will be on your side as you are a suburbanite.
    'Clearly they wont ever come for me' said the person who never read a topic relevant history book ever.
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    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    When you as a suburbanite think protesters are more dangerous than right wing miltias you are a fucking problem.
    Well as a suburbanite you might think those militia's will be on your side as you are a suburbanite.
    'Clearly they wont ever come for me' said the person who never read a topic relevant history book ever.
    Misunderstands the conservative movement and who's gonna be protected by the law in their ideal world. If militias did try to loot nice areas, Strykers and Bradleys would be immediately deployed to mow them down.

    The state has very little incentive to stop things in areas where the people getting hurt are mostly $0 asset serfs. But they'll stomp you to dust if you threaten the trillions of dollars in real estate that's locked up within those houses.
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