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Thread: Dos Dedos Mis Amigos (USA Civil Unrest Thread)

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    Sounds like the guy who died was going around macing protestors until one of them had a gun. :surprisepikachu:

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    >assault guy with a gun

    >get shot

    We have no idea how this could've happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    So....not a response at all.
    What's there to respond to? You're just saying we're stupid and out of touch and don't know what the fuck we're talking about. Fine. Enjoy your escalating violence I guess. It's way too late to turn back now, the dominoes started falling a decade ago during the Obama administration when any attempt at working class organization was crushed by identity politics. There is no way out of this situation anymore.
    Your disdain and despair over someone other than white people asserting their identity is just retarded. Conservatives and racists have asserted identity politics to bend people to create political capital and suppress others for as long as they could. The other side using it to create awareness and create their own political capital isn't the issue you think it is. Its like you think people on the left cannot possibly have multiple interests or have multiple effective causes to fight for. Dismantling the system arrayed against progressive interests is not a decade long project. Its a centuries long effort. Sorry people want black people or women to not wait in the back of the line while we hash out the rest.

    This is a huge problem I have with ivory tower readers of marxist idealism. The people you read would never be able to connect to anyone on either side working a job in a pandemic. Or losing one. You sound like a guy arguing with another guy tossing around arguments from Playtapus or Jacobin. The same blowhard riping apart Sanders for not being socialist enough. Pining for a revolution but not doing shit along the way but spouting faint praise for 1930's soviet union programs? I can't remember exactly what you said, zomething about pulling millions out of agricultural poverty. Starving millions of Ukrainians sure is the way forward.

    Socialism here cannot and should not be targeted at those unwilling to accept it. It'll take time. It will not be handed to people from theory books and useless publications. People here have to try it and want to fight for it. It will not be easy. But if it comes by a revolution it won't be true most likely. Some stupid fuck will turn it into yet one more bloody dictatorship and we will see millions of poor people die, and tens of millions suffer.

    Try saying they already are, but I remember Bush lovers saying the same about the people in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    >assault guy with a gun

    >get shot

    We have no idea how this could've happened.
    Is this portland or kenosha talk?

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    A nice summary of last week events. Also if you made a compilation/montage video of Olivers videos from 4 years back up until now with short clips, you could clearly see a gradual change in delivery style. He is getting more and more frustrated and angry.

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    Frustration and anger is a rational response to watching western civilisation decline in the stupidest fashion ever.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Judging from recent history of mass shootings, where is the likelyhood that shooter will come from? A BLM supporter or Trump/Blue lives matter supporter?

    Also, yes. This is still about the dysfunctional policing in the US and disproportionate violence against black people by law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Please tell us, what is it really about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Please tell us, what is it really about?
    It's about fragile white men who are angry at minorities instead of their leaders for making their lives shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Please tell us, what is it really about?
    It's about fragile white men who are angry at minorities instead of their leaders for making their lives shit.
    Propaganda working as intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Please tell us, what is it really about?
    It's about fragile white men who are angry at minorities instead of their leaders for making their lives shit.
    Propaganda working as intended.
    See above post of mine for why you are so bitter and clueless on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Do you people still believe this is about Black Lives Matter? This is something else entirely.
    Only thing left to wonder me is when will some idiot decides to self activate and commit a mass shooting.
    Please tell us, what is it really about?
    For Candy it's been about the same thing is has been for these far right bros on the street, he's just afraid to say it because he wants to be subtle and let the "truth" come to you!

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    Protesting while in possession of a weapon or body armor of any kind should (IMO) be illegal.

    The right to peacefully assemble and to air ones grievances is not unlimited or without reasonable restrictions and regulation, same as any right.

    The 2nd Amendment should also be repealed, but that's another topic.

    The same thing Cops need to do a hell of alot more of now also needs done by all the sides of this protest war mess: deescalation, demilitarization, and discussion.

    I don't expect many here (especially) to support this post, but such is life.


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    i mean i think most people here support people not having guns, police demilitirising and for people to actually talk. It's just that historically talking hasn't got anyone anywhere in real terms...
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    i mean i think most people here support people not having guns, police demilitirising and for people to actually talk. It's just that historically talking hasn't got anyone anywhere in real terms...
    Probably because it's easier to simply kill your perceived enemy than talk to them and convince them of the righteousness and benefits of your cause.

    Dehumanizing and dismissing those your disagree with is the oldest methedology in the books. Everyone loves Democracy.....until he majority doesn't agree or agree enough with their chosen cause.

    Frankly, I don't agree with your premise anyway. Plenty has been changed as the result of discussion and civil action. Most causes have both, some form of anger/protest by the public (and yes even violence), but no small share of professional policymakers and leaders also working to make the change happen. Violence alone didn't change most things, and it can be argued it made them worse at times, stealing away support for the change itself.

    We, as a society, should be better than "change this or I will kill you and burn your home and salt your fields". JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    i mean i think most people here support people not having guns, police demilitirising and for people to actually talk. It's just that historically talking hasn't got anyone anywhere in real terms...
    Probably because it's easier to simply kill your perceived enemy than talk to them and convince them of the righteousness and benefits of your cause.

    Dehumanizing and dismissing those your disagree with is the oldest methedology in the books. Everyone loves Democracy.....until he majority doesn't agree or agree enough with their chosen cause.

    Frankly, I don't agree with your premise anyway. Plenty has been changed as the result of discussion and civil action. Most causes have both, some form of anger/protest by the public (and yes even violence), but no small share of professional policymakers and leaders also working to make the change happen. Violence alone didn't change most things, and it can be argued it made them worse at times, stealing away support for the change itself.

    We, as a society, should be better than "change this or I will kill you and burn your home and salt your fields". JMO
    You’re welcome to go out to one of these protests and try to talk to these militia folks and the angry people with Trump flags.

    I’ve tried at events here in WA, but they’re not generally interested in talking to anyone who isn’t already “on their side.” That was before people started getting shot, but I don’t think they’ve gotten more chatty or open-minded in the meantime.

    I’ve had slightly more luck with ordinary trump supporters outside of a protest environment, but even then there’s a wall of “nope can’t consider that” when you start getting into maybe questioning their support for trump or pointing out harm caused by him being in office.

    My own father has started sending me inflammatory/inciting text messages, and when I respond, saying “I wasn’t asking for a discussion I’m going to bed.”

    Not quite sure what to do at this point. It always boils down to the people the Trump folks don’t like deserving to be hurt/suffer. And now that they’re running around en-masse with rifles, I’m less inclined to go out and talk to them, and more inclined to stay home and start figuring out if there’s anything I can do to defend my neighborhood if a squad of goons in pickup trucks decides to roll through and shoot people.
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