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    I hate the little fascist dickhead as much as the rest of you but the murder charge against Rittenhouse, or even a manslaughter one, is clearly not warranted on the facts. Self-defence doesnt only apply to good guys or people who are blameless in the situation. One of the prosecution witnesses admitted on the stand to pointing a pistol at Rittenhosue before he fired his gun and several witnesses have confirmed people were shouting threats to kill him, he fired the gun after being knocked over. That's open and shut and its over for murder/manslaughter charges.

    If its not already a crime to travel somewhere you have no reason to be in order to brandish an assault rifle at a group of people you dont like in the America, THAT'S the problem, however. Letting people carry guns openly in public is fucking ridiculous. Letting them legally intimidate and threaten other people with them even more so.
    The prosecution are idiots for going for a murder charge, it was never going to stick. What they shouldve done is gone after him for illegally possessing a weapon and brandishing. And then after securing convictions for that go for a capital murder charge; ie a death/murder that happens as a result of or in the process of commiting a felony.
    Prosecutors are overzealous with their charges by instinct because most of the time they don't need to prove anything in court

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
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    I hate the little fascist dickhead as much as the rest of you but the murder charge against Rittenhouse, or even a manslaughter one, is clearly not warranted on the facts. Self-defence doesnt only apply to good guys or people who are blameless in the situation. One of the prosecution witnesses admitted on the stand to pointing a pistol at Rittenhosue before he fired his gun and several witnesses have confirmed people were shouting threats to kill him, he fired the gun after being knocked over. That's open and shut and its over for murder/manslaughter charges.

    If its not already a crime to travel somewhere you have no reason to be in order to brandish an assault rifle at a group of people you dont like in the America, THAT'S the problem, however. Letting people carry guns openly in public is fucking ridiculous. Letting them legally intimidate and threaten other people with them even more so.
    The prosecution are idiots for going for a murder charge, it was never going to stick. What they shouldve done is gone after him for illegally possessing a weapon and brandishing. And then after securing convictions for that go for a capital murder charge; ie a death/murder that happens as a result of or in the process of commiting a felony.
    Super high profile case gets shit for brains prosecutors. Its almost like they wanted him to go free...
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    I hate the little fascist dickhead as much as the rest of you but the murder charge against Rittenhouse, or even a manslaughter one, is clearly not warranted on the facts. Self-defence doesnt only apply to good guys or people who are blameless in the situation. One of the prosecution witnesses admitted on the stand to pointing a pistol at Rittenhosue before he fired his gun and several witnesses have confirmed people were shouting threats to kill him, he fired the gun after being knocked over. That's open and shut and its over for murder/manslaughter charges.

    If its not already a crime to travel somewhere you have no reason to be in order to brandish an assault rifle at a group of people you dont like in the America, THAT'S the problem, however. Letting people carry guns openly in public is fucking ridiculous. Letting them legally intimidate and threaten other people with them even more so.
    So what you are saying is arm yourselves and then go get in republican and proud boy faces so you can shoot them in self defense when they have a negative reaction to being called pussy traitors?
    No shooting white people is a crime in most states.



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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
    Which is why Rittenhouse is also charged with illegal possession of a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
    Did you miss the distinction I made - duty to retreat at the point self-defence was done vs duty to retreat before then to avoid losing the ability to retreat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
    Did you miss the distinction I made - duty to retreat at the point self-defence was done vs duty to retreat before then to avoid losing the ability to retreat.
    Which part of leaving, then returning to the site of an active riot when you should have retreated is difficult?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
    Did you miss the distinction I made - duty to retreat at the point self-defence was done vs duty to retreat before then to avoid losing the ability to retreat.
    Which part of leaving, then returning to the site of an active riot when you should have retreated is difficult?
    The part where that isnt what the duty to retreat means in almost any country or state.

    The duty to retreat in most jurisidctions means at the moment you pulled the trigger if you could have retreated AT THAT TIME instead of pulling the trigger, it's not self-defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    This is exactly why most places with common sense gun laws have a responsibility to retreat in their self defense laws, btw. It's only stupid yahoo wannabe cowboys who think otherwise.
    What countries have a duty to retreat pre-emptively? England's law says you can stand your ground provided that at the moment you 'do the self-defence' there are no reasonable alternatives (like retreat), but doesnt require you to retreat in anticipation of losing that option. I'd say by the time you are on your back with a guy pointing a pistol at you there are no reasonable alternatives.
    You could have, you know, not carried a gun into a riot and gone looking for fites.

    12 states impose a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin
    Did you miss the distinction I made - duty to retreat at the point self-defence was done vs duty to retreat before then to avoid losing the ability to retreat.
    Which part of leaving, then returning to the site of an active riot when you should have retreated is difficult?
    Legally speaking, that doesn't actually matter. He's not on trial for going some where stupid and putting himself and others in a bad situation. He's on trial for the moment he shot and killed someone; and whether he did so with reasonable justification for self defense. And given the videos that were presented to the court show him attempting to leave, and being pursued by someone with a handgun, he did reasonably fulfil the duty to retreat in that moment. So it is really a moot point.

    This case has been criminally mismanaged by the prosecution, because like the public they have been assuming the trial would be about what this twat did that day; not what he did at that singular moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    The duty to retreat in most jurisidctions means at the moment you pulled the trigger if you could have retreated AT THAT TIME instead of pulling the trigger, it's not self-defence.
    More specifically, to do so safely, without endangering your self.

    A lot of people seem to think Duty to Retreat is a Duty to Flee and it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
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    The duty to retreat in most jurisidctions means at the moment you pulled the trigger if you could have retreated AT THAT TIME instead of pulling the trigger, it's not self-defence.
    More specifically, to do so safely, without endangering your self.

    A lot of people seem to think Duty to Retreat is a Duty to Flee and it is not.

    The ridiculous part of it all is that you can openly carry weapons at all. Here the moment you draw a firearm you are seen as if you are intending to use it and police will shoot on sight.

    Its moments like these i dont think there is any hope for you people...

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    Of course there's no hope for America. It's a blueprint for how not to run a healthy society.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    World domination successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    World domination successful.
    Yeah about that....

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    So he walked.

    Gun charge was dropped - the law doesn't address anyone older than 16 with a regular rifle (as opposed to a short barrelled rifle or handgun)
    Not guilty on the other charges.

    More riots incoming?

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    Maybe some Dems will show up at Trump rallies to defend minorities and use the same arguments.
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    Those arguements won't do you much good when its cops rather than a guy with a skateboard chasing you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Maybe some Dems will show up at Trump rallies to defend minorities and use the same arguments.
    Yes what a splendid idea, not like they will get indiscriminate gunned down by the law enforcement if they do.
    Police are clearly staffed by bleeding heart liberals and leftists...

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