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    Eve Fanfest 2018

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    Lets hope there is more Eve than last year, anything would be an improvement really from the outside looking in.

    No more projects that never see the light of day, but then again this is CCP we are talking about.

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    Any big changes necessary for CCP to implement will be continually lobbied into irrelevance by nullsec CSM members. The rollback of jump fatigue is going to make them wary of any adjustments to power projection. The ridiculous state of citadels isn't going to be fixed by tinkering around the edges and PvE and the economy need to be rebuilt in tandem to fix systemic problems.

    I predict CCP will introduce a new pirate faction or something, 'sweeping' changes to a ship class and show some pretty images of artwork for stuff coming soon (tm). If they decide to be bold they'll take all the shit aspects of sov and introduce it to FW under the guise of fixing lowsec.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Wow, they even have a roundtable for discussing Fanfest. Guess that is next to be axed.
    Need more speakers

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    Not so much axed, but diversified :P You should remember the power of buzzwords upstairs :P

    Keep in mind it is a calling card as well as a handout mechanism locally. But costs need to go down, in order to keep spreading things out margins have to increase. Problem is, there's really only so much you can provide or present, when you don't have much more to show than what essentially comes down to a feature update presentation. Last fanfest made painfully clear how little overlap potential there is for what CCP produces (thinks to produce) beyond eve. It also made painfully clear that how things were handled it did not serve as a platform beyond fanbase either, in spite of the, uh, well considered, um, thought-through, venue planning & PR.

    Oh fuck it, it was horribly done. Got to be honest. The last four fanfests have been little more than a weird combination of tourist entry + 5 minute fanboy pacifier + feature presentation + lack of vision presentation + various attempts at "omg look how awesome we are being with XYZ over there".

    To be honest, it isn't easy to maintain a yearly venue cycle. It provides a lot of potential, but you have to network for it if it has to serve as a platform. This is not the same as sitting there waiting for people to notice you after sending out the odd mailing and expecting the magic people you were given by investor relations to actually give you their own network for free (the remaining oldies still can't imagine that their "friends" are simply hollowing out CCP's capabilities by means of relations, placements and incentives).
    Crux of it is that it takes work. A lot of work, but it is work that pays off if you do the work consistantly with a clear agenda and defined goals. It's not the same as an Easyjet kickback kind of thing in terms of organisation and planning.

    And yeah, you need to actually have stuff for show & tell.

    It is sad in terms of unrealised potential, and of a few people bashing their heads against walls wasting themselves. It is almost funny in terms of evolution of the venue itself, as customer and community communications have shifted to inward bound mechanisms, so has fanfest.


    It's a good thing it's in Iceland though. Sure, that brings hurdles as well, but the place itself is really nice to spend time touring.
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    What they have scheduled this year is fuck all compared to any of the five Fanfest's I attended up until 2012.

    Ah well EVE probably is dying now. Good thing I never applied for a job there in the end.
    Need more speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The ridiculous state of citadels isn't going to be fixed by tinkering around the edges
    I don't know how you think citadels are ridiculous, they are less ridiculous now than they used to be. Sure they may not be totally ready imo but they are no longer
    impregnable fortresses, one only has to look here - https://zkillboard.com/kills/citadels/, to see the amount of dead citadels, that can even be killed by npcs is more than what
    used to occur. I just hope that they make citadels more interactable with for attackers.

    Are you are basing your view on one battle over a KeepStar which everyone piled into with predictable results?

    I get what you are saying about nullsec blocs voting for nullsec folk, plenty of people can be enticed to vote for non-null-sec folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Any big changes necessary for CCP to implement will be continually lobbied into irrelevance by nullsec CSM members. The rollback of jump fatigue is going to make them wary of any adjustments to power projection. The ridiculous state of citadels isn't going to be fixed by tinkering around the edges and PvE and the economy need to be rebuilt in tandem to fix systemic problems.

    I predict CCP will introduce a new pirate faction or something, 'sweeping' changes to a ship class and show some pretty images of artwork for stuff coming soon (tm). If they decide to be bold they'll take all the shit aspects of sov and introduce it to FW under the guise of fixing lowsec.
    You sure have a lot of opinions on a game you haven't played for years
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    I love Malcanis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Any big changes necessary for CCP to implement will be continually lobbied into irrelevance by nullsec CSM members. The rollback of jump fatigue is going to make them wary of any adjustments to power projection. The ridiculous state of citadels isn't going to be fixed by tinkering around the edges and PvE and the economy need to be rebuilt in tandem to fix systemic problems.

    I predict CCP will introduce a new pirate faction or something, 'sweeping' changes to a ship class and show some pretty images of artwork for stuff coming soon (tm). If they decide to be bold they'll take all the shit aspects of sov and introduce it to FW under the guise of fixing lowsec.
    You sure have a lot of opinions on a game you haven't played for years
    it is known

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    I'm just really surprised there isn't an alliance panel this year. It seems like that was always one of the most popular sessions.
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    duh
    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    Yeah, can't be a good gathering without someone urging people to bully another player to suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    Yeah, can't be a good gathering without someone urging people to bully another player to suicide.
    While admittedly a low point, The Mittani did not go unpunished. Plus it was a few years ago at this point. I can't recall any infamy in recent years.
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    Hilmar just said that project nova will not be connected to eve at launch. So... Yeah...

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    So it isn't happening?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    They want it to stand on its own two feet before they connect it to TQ. Perfecting the "gunplay" I believe he said.

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    What he meant by that was:
    1) CCP lacks the creative vision to meaningfully integrate it with Eve
    2) CCP lacks the technical proficiency to integrate it with Eve.

    Gunplay in first person shooters has basically been perfected, copy whatever system works best for the best selling game made with the desired game engine and spend a couple of months tinkering with it. If CCP can't get gunplay right quickly they aren't going to bolt it into Eve properly in a meaningful timeframe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post

    Gunplay in first person shooters has basically been perfected
    I wouldn't say perfected juts different styles of gunplay.

    Its good that they are focusing on the game instead of the eve-game link, without good gameplay there will be no good link.

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    I'll be pleasantly shocked if they manage either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    there will be no fanfest 2019 - announced by a CCP guy who organises fanfest


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    there will be no fanfest 2019 - announced by a CCP guy who organises fanfest
    EvE is dying

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