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    [PVP] Harpy

    [Harpy, Blarpy]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    1MN Afterburner II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

    Can tank 83 DPS for a minute, but it lays out 283 DPS at 2+3.1km. Pretty formidable given its Caldari lineage.

    A neut will ruin your day as you will only have 4.3k EHP to fall back on. You can strip down the guns and add an APC to fit in a medium shield extender, but it will cost you dps. User's call.
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    Re: Harpy

    [Harpy, Blarpy 2.0]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Power Diagnostic System II

    Medium Shield Extender II
    Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


    7.5k EHP and 223 DPS. That's the trade off from OP

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    Re: Harpy

    [Harpy, Neutron MSE]
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    Medium Shield Extender II
    1MN Afterburner II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Warp Scrambler II

    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [empty high slot]
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

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    Re: Harpy

    [Harpy, Fuck drams!]

    Damage Control II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    1MN Afterburner II
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

    Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket

    Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
    Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

    stats:[Statistics - All lvl5]

    Effective HP: 5*586
    Tank Ability: 13,39 DPS
    Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25,00%, Ex: 25,00%, Ki: 25,00%, Th: 25,00%)
    Shield Resists - EM: 12,50%, Ex: 56,25%, Ki: 73,75%, Th: 82,50%
    Armor Resists - EM: 57,50%, Ex: 23,50%, Ki: 68,13%, Th: 88,31%

    Capacitor: Stable at 53,52%

    Volley Damage: 487,59
    DPS: 230,54 (265,60) with null at 6,3km!
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    Re: Harpy

    speed of ab fit harpy made me sad, so now i'm flying around in this, just got a dram with it, and it seems to be pretty solid.
    might be worth getting a t2 anti em rig on it.

    [Harpy, mwd]

    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Medium Shield Extender II

    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

    overheated dps is: 276,58 with cn am
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    Re: Harpy

    Question for the crowd here, since I'm on a roll with frig fittings today (about to head to 4-4 and stock up on a bunch of TII frigs for the hell of it, in the mood to go on a disposable-ship bender):

    What's the breakdown on Ions vs Neutrons? The Ions have slightly less range (about 900m of optimal/falloff), but you can fit a full rack + MSE without the need for any fitting mods, and the tracking is better, and Ions + 2x MFS is better DPS than Neutrons + 1 MFS

    [Harpy, Ions]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    1MN Afterburner II
    Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Warp Scrambler II
    Stasis Webifier II

    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [empty high slot]
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

    Still slow even with my snakes, though.

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    Re: Harpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII
    Question for the crowd here, since I'm on a roll with frig fittings today (about to head to 4-4 and stock up on a bunch of TII frigs for the hell of it, in the mood to go on a disposable-ship bender):

    What's the breakdown on Ions vs Neutrons? The Ions have slightly less range (about 900m of optimal/falloff), but you can fit a full rack + MSE without the need for any fitting mods, and the tracking is better, and Ions + 2x MFS is better DPS than Neutrons + 1 MFS

    [Harpy, Ions]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    1MN Afterburner II
    Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Warp Scrambler II
    Stasis Webifier II

    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [empty high slot]
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

    Still slow even with my snakes, though.
    I use more or less the same fit, but with MWD and DCU (NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GOD DAMN SUITCASE) , the ions are good for killing drams cause of their superior tracking, and you can still hit to 8km with null if the situation calls for it. Plus when fitting an MWD unless you wanna ditch tank for ACR's you can't really fit neutrons so vOv
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    Re: Harpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami

    I use more or less the same fit, but with MWD and DCU (NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GOD DAMN SUITCASE) , the ions are good for killing drams cause of their superior tracking, and you can still hit to 8km with null if the situation calls for it. Plus when fitting an MWD unless you wanna ditch tank for ACR's you can't really fit neutrons so vOv
    Going off that fit I come up with:


    [Harpy, Ions MWD]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Damage Control II

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Medium Shield Extender II
    Warp Scrambler II
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [empty high slot]
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


    Which could be kept an AB fit without the ACR, just swap one MFS from my original ion fit for a DCU II. Either way DPS drops about 30, for a 1300ehp increase.

    My question is how do you fly the thing with no afterburner and a scram? If you get in on another frig they will scram and web you, you'll scram and web them back.... and they'll AB away. Only hope is catching MWD frigs that don't run a scram... or going after cruisers.

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    Re: Harpy

    I use it in 0.0, where every man and his dog is not flying a faggot fit AB frig. Also I love the harpy for situations like this:

    http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9366492

    Literally just ignored his warriors because of n1 shield tank while I ruined his day
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    Re: Harpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami
    NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GOD DAMN SUITCASE
    I'm usually a big dcu fan but caldari ships have the worst base armor/structure amounts, tend toward low damage, and have limited lows. Dropping dcu for extra damage mods tends to be more viable for them.

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    Re: Harpy

    [quote=sassy b]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Shiroi Okami":2p4g82f0
    NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GOD DAMN SUITCASE
    I'm usually a big dcu fan but caldari ships have the worst base armor/structure amounts, tend toward low damage, and have limited lows. Dropping dcu for extra damage mods tends to be more viable for them.[/quote:2p4g82f0]

    True, but even on hawk/harpy/raptor/crow I've been saved by my DCU'd hull when running a camp or killing something then escaping a blob more times than I care to count, which is why I never undock without one
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    Re: Harpy

    [quote=Shiroi Okami][quote="sassy b":3gv31tfx]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Shiroi Okami":3gv31tfx
    NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GOD DAMN SUITCASE
    I'm usually a big dcu fan but caldari ships have the worst base armor/structure amounts, tend toward low damage, and have limited lows. Dropping dcu for extra damage mods tends to be more viable for them.[/quote:3gv31tfx]

    True, but even on hawk/harpy/raptor/crow I've been saved by my DCU'd hull when running a camp or killing something then escaping a blob more times than I care to count, which is why I never undock without one[/quote:3gv31tfx]

    You do get the shield resistance boosts as well so Caldari get some love from the suitcase.

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    Re: Harpy

    Damage control gives ~25% extra ehp love to an MSE harpy, by no means trivial, but less than the 30/40/50% ehp boost you'd get with minny/amarr/gallente AFs. Damage mods are 20% damage (at least for the first couple). So in a theoretical face to face blasting match dcu fits do come out on top. But imo you need to take into account the superior stategic usefulness of gank (especially in engagements where you're outnumbered).

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami
    I've been saved by my DCU'd hull when running a camp or killing something then escaping a blob more times than I care to count
    damage control is better in the first case, but mag stab is better in the second.

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    Re: Harpy

    So, next question: Are there any viable rail fits for this ship that aren't fleet support? I've managed to throw together a 150mm fit that is pretty fail, methinks.


    [Harpy, Snipah]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Small Shield Extender II
    Small Shield Extender II
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range

    150mm Railgun II, Spike S
    150mm Railgun II, Spike S
    150mm Railgun II, Spike S
    150mm Railgun II, Spike S
    [empty high slot]

    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    84 dps out to 84km optimal, with a 100km lock range. CN Thorium ups DPS to 108, makes the fit cap stable with the MWD running, and reduces optimal to 41km.

    Not really sure what it would be good for.

    I'm wondering if there's a good kiting rail setup, either with MWD+long point, or scram+web, that can keep other ships from not getting on top of it and winding up in lolrailtracking territory.

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    Re: Harpy

    [Harpy, Kiter]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [empty high slot]

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I



    I tried it once, it's not very good, primarily because the thing is just so slow. It can only kite armour AFs really, even with the two speed mods wolves and jags still outpace it, but you can usually kill them if you spam overheated web to give yourself enough time to kill them. Same is true of weak inties, but god help you if a taranis/claw/sader gets under 5km and is not dead.
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    Re: Harpy

    I assume you're talking about MWD-equipped frigs; I've not run into many AB frigs that will do 2500m/s unoverheated.

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    Re: Harpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII
    I assume you're talking about MWD-equipped frigs; I've not run into many AB frigs that will do 2500m/s unoverheated.
    Yes. AB only frigs deserve to die in a fire anyway (Saying AB frigs are 'good for lowsec' doesn't make it any less gay).

    You'll find all my posts about ships and tactics will assume 0.0 combat and thus that 90% of frigs (or anything really) are MWD fit.
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    Re: Harpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami
    AB only frigs deserve to die in a fire anyway (Saying AB frigs are 'good for lowsec' doesn't make it any less gay).
    You obviously feel strongly about this dumb opinion so why dont you make a thread about it rather than shitting up this one?

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    Re: Harpy

    The afterburner version of this has been posted but here's the nullsec variation.

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    [Harpy, Budget Daredevil]
    
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
    [Empty High slot]
    
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Warp Scrambler II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    
    Damage Control II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    
    Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    With basic implants (ZGS1000 & CX-1) does 322 DPS at 2.53 + 3.15 (Antimatter) or 257 at 6.33 + 3.91 (Null). If something lets itself get webbed, its in trouble. 2,293 km/s (with Zor) and 6.21k EHP (with KVA1000).

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    Re: Harpy

    You can pretty easily shoehorn a rocket launcher on there for an extra ~20 deeps. Just drop to a pseudo DC + kza1000.

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