Oh yeah. MAPCs cost 15cpu
Oh yeah. MAPCs cost 15cpu
Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.
"You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."
[Harpy, pretty much slicer gistii b]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Faint Warp Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Rapes everything without issue. Laugh at every other frig, most cruisers, most BCs, and just about anything else you care to engage. Just solo'd a hurricane with one of these.
Literally the best kiting ship in game. Only weakness is its SLIGHT speed deficiency, which is easily made up for with loki bonuses or snakes if those are your thing. Still works just fine without.
Without loki links this will get raped by the first ranis/daredevil/comet it comes across (or the first good enyo, ac wolf,ac jag... as its slower then they are so a slingshot will easiliy get you into 9 km) basically anything that can get a scrambler on it, sentinels will laugh at it as well. Any (well most) proper cruisers/bcs will eat it alive (due to lol tracking of the rails, meaning if you can hit them they can hit you just as well, also killing drones will be very very hard).
Looks okay for killing ab frigs though, but your oponents have to be very dumb to get hit, due to the tracking if they arent webbed! So any hawk/retrubution/ishkur will force this off anyways, and im pretty sure a slicer would win as well!
This saying with loki links this (i believe) changes quite a bit, as you can let them be webbed, tacking care of you tracking and their aproach quite well!
Also has a massive EM holeOriginally Posted by Sponk
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
I've killed ~10 or so ships with this today.
I literally only web ships that are faster than me so they can't get extremely close. My tracking is absolutely fine - most of the stuff I kill dies at range without any webs on it at all.
Sentinel's could beat it, with lots of tracking disruption and neuting, but that sorta goes without saying for p. much every frig. I could prob beat it if I could get in close, dual web, and heat to melt it before I get capped out.
Enyo's/Ishkurs would take a while to kill due to their high resist, but the others will just get shredded. Slicer has no EHP, and I put out identical/superior DPS at range, so it'll diaf due to my EHP advantage.
I don't think you really understand how this ship works, or pretty much anything about it :P
Constantly overheat your webs to 14km, and web things the second they start trying to get close, and you'll be absolutely fine vs just about anything. You deal over ~211 dps up to 23k optimal w/heat using antimatter.
It just gets silly if you have loki bonuses (19km webs).
As to your speed - you do 2199 m/s before heat, bonuses or implants. 3134 with heat. 4120 with bonuses+heat.
Nothing spectacular, but considering the amount of dps you can put out, and your ability to stop things at 10-14km (+ you have 5.5k EHP with no tank mods before bonuses) means you will beat stuff without issue unless you're a terrible pilot or using this fit in a retarded manner.
tl;dr - No you're wrong, and lrn2heatandpilotbro.
(FYI-You can bring any ranis you want, and I'll curbstomp you even if YOU can have bonuses and I don't - very serious) =D
Than you just met terrible pilots, your tracking is terrible and you hit nothing at all if they are smart. And the webs wont save you from a slingshot or a heated mwd burst as they need a few seconds to slow stuff down, and than your dead, slicer will just orbit you and you wont hit but it will. And your only faster than them for 4km, till they scram you and those 4km arent hard, now if you burn away in a straight line and they follow you than youll rape em, otherwise not so much!
You miss shots in a raildevil vs a webbed target due to your own tracking if your not standing still. A shield talos has better tracking with antimatter than you (or with null + a standard drop booster)!
(im not saying that you fit is bad or anything im just saying that rails are terrible (mostly) and that good frig pilots will kill you pretty easiliy if you flying that)
If you have isk, you might want to factionise one or two of the webs (or use loki links all the time).
Last edited by W0lf Crendraven; June 30 2012 at 10:16:29 PM.
the fact that you killed a cane with this means either: the cane pilot was horribly, horribly bad or badly fit, or you had links. I can see killing an artillery cane with this if you get very lucky by virtue of tracking, but his drones alone should practically kill you before you can kill him back given the lack of tank.
The nos-fit blarpy has a much better chance against most things imo.
I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
I'm sorry, are you just pulling numbers out of your ass or what? At 20km, Lords' Harpy will be splashing out 172 DPS vs a slicer even if it's in max-transversal orbit. At the absolute worst point in the damage curve, 14.5km out he'll be doing 150 DPS. Please stop making a fool of yourself.
That fit tracks frigate-sized targets solidly down to 2-4km, and if you'd bothered to think for one second or maybe open EFT and plug some basic numbers in, you'd have seen that. Seriously people, it is -not hard at all- to use the tools available to you to evaluate fits. Please do so before making bullshit claims.
-O
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
I was just talking from experience (guess im too used to linked (10mn ab) slicers), but im maintaining my point that good mwd frigates will rape this (maybe not the slicer). And once its caught ppl will be at 500m not at 2-4 km.
No, they really won't. They don't reach DPS parity until very short ranges, and the run up to close will see them eating a sizeable fraction of full DPS the entire way. Let's take a look at a Taranis for instance:I was just talking from experience (guess im too used to linked (10mn ab) slicers), but im maintaining my point that good mwd frigates will rape this (maybe not the slicer
Taranis reaches DPS parity with the Harpy at 3.2km with CNAM, 5km with Null. Harpy is 5.4k EHP vs Taranis 3.7k We'll examine a null-loaded fight in detail. All numbers assume heat the entire time.
Dualwebbed the Taranis will only be running at 998 m/s. The harpy under single-web will be at 132m/s, for a final closing speed of 864m/s -if- the Taranis pilot dives straight in. Assuming his slingshot gets him to 9km, and he somehow managed to avoid all damage before that (not likely), that means that by the time the Taranis has reached DPS parity range at 5000m he's eaten approximately 1040 damage, continuing to run in to his peak damage point at 3200m costs him roughly 465 more EHP. At this point he's sitting at 2245 EHP, taking 210 DPS and dishing out 250 DPS. That's 21.6s time-to-kill, and 10.6s time-to-live. If instead he closes to 500m he eats 700 more damage, putting him at 1545 EHP. However, he's been actually dealing damage as well, that run in will let him deliver 925 damage, putting the Harpy at 4475 EHP. At 500m he'll be MWD-off, dealing 240 DPS and taking 190 in return. TTK is now 18.6s TTL is 8.1. And this is assuming that he miraculously starts the fight in scram range with 0 damage.
CNAM is closer to even, the run to parity costs him 1580 EHP, run to peak costs him 490 while dealing 670 to the Harpy. Peak TTK is 13.2, TTL is 9.7. Run to 500m costs approximately 100 while dealing 150 to the Harpy. TTK at 500m is 12.7s, TTL is 8s
Now, caveats about the numbers above: I'm assuming that Taranis' damage output jumps instantly from parity to peak during the 'run to peak' segment, I'm modelling the Harpy's DPS based on an impossible maximum-transversal plus maximum straight-line closing velocity model (i.e. the Taranis is somehow maintaining transversal equivalent to a perfect 90 degree orbit while also closing in a straight line), and I'm ignoring any damage the Taranis does from beyond parity range, because if it hangs around at those ranges it loses anyways due to having both a worse EHP ratio and worse DPS ratio. So realistically this is going to be even worse for the 'ranis.
Pretty much every other ship fares the same. AFs have more EHP, but also spend a lot more time closing and take a lot more damage when in close due to being slower and fatter than the Taranis.
-O
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
Im assuming, the ranis is heating directly at the harpy after a slingshot (which thanks to the tiny sig with mwd means the ranis wont be taking that much damage before), now it has 10km to cross against a harpy that still is flying towards it for 1 or two seconds, and once it is at 0 the damage of the harpy drops to zero!
10km under double webs is a worse scenario than what I outlined above by a significant amount.
-O
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
He will get in to like 3-6km before the webs even take effect, and that is doable! ( afs if they get a scram on it will outdps/outtank it at 9km though, exept maybe the gallente ones)
(all im saying in total is that i believe that without loki links this fit can be killed quite well by good fast frigates, and that it cant dominate all, also that it will have a really hard time kepping stuff where it wants it to be without loki links)
With implants/links it probably really is a beast!
Last edited by W0lf Crendraven; July 1 2012 at 03:08:37 AM.
So we keep talking about "lolRails" tracking. Are they worse than artillery?
Rails track much better than artillery.
I like Lord's fit, I think I'm going to drop the TE for a Nano though since you only lose 2km optimal and upgrade the webs to X5 or something.
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
Fit works pretty well -
For some reason my mods kept turning off Point/TD/Weapons, but I am pretty sure I would've lost regardless.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboar...hp?id=16855262
OK, I am really, REALLY liking Lord's fit (though mine has Nano instead of TE, and I'm considering dropping the CCC for another Overclocker and the nano for an IFFA which gives 7k EHP, primarily for frig fighting)
In fact, this fits. Doesn't have the longevity but TBH its a frig killer, you won't be tackling big shit and killing it on a regular basis so you may as well do your anti-frig job better:
[Harpy, Harpy - Cheap Kiting]
Internal Force Field Array I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Warp Disruptor II
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
This also brings the total price to 44mil isk
Last edited by OrangeAfroMan; July 1 2012 at 10:49:44 AM.
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
I posted earlier but it didn't go through.
Good fight against this fit last night. My mods were freaking out but I would've lost anyhow. 2nd round went to the wolf but he was able to burn out of point since neither of us were using our boosters. Ill be looking for some more gf's from you mate.
Definitely. Also the wolf fight was sorta skewed as I didn't think anyone would actually be crazy enough to bring an arty wolf against my harpy. I loaded javelin assuming u were AC fit, and then was doing almost no damage as u held range the entire fight :P (Was facepalming IRL literally).
Looking forward to a rematch and many many more GFs
Crazy wins fights. I knew you were double webbed so I took a gamble you would load close range ammo and try to melt me on approach.
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