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    Pc Upgrade

    My old man has asked me to replace his current desktop machine. it's an old budget AMD system that's showing it's age,

    Only basic requirements office/browing/music No gaming. Thinking SSD and mebe a lower tier Ryzen are the way to go so it runs nicely and boots quickly.
    Will reuse his current 1tb sata HDD for storage But want to replace powert supply and everything else.

    Totally out of the loop as Iv'e not upgraded my own system yet so some suggestions would be welcome.

    just chucked this together which come's in at £509 Case,Mobo,Cpu,Gpu,Ram & PS

    £18.32 480W CiT Black Edition CIT480UB PSU, Dual (2) Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX PSU

    £33.32 Cooler Master N300 Black Mid Tower Performance Case w/o PSU

    £67.49 Gigabyte AB350-GAMING, AMD B350, S AM4, DDR4, SATA3, M.2 (PCIe/SATA), Realtek LAN, USB 3.1 A, ATX

    £69.99 2GB Sapphire Radeon RX 550 PULSE, 14nm Polaris, 512 Streams, 1206MHz GPU, 7000MHz GDDR5, DP/HDMI/DVI-D DL

    £94.16 AMD Ryzen™ 3 1300X, S AM4, Quad Core, 4 Thread, 3.5GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB Cache, 65W, CPU, Retail,+Wraith Stealth Cooler

    £74.58 8GB (1x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Value Select, PC4-21300 (2666), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 18-18-18-43, 1.2V

    £56.99 240GB WD Green, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 3D NAND, Read 545MB/s, Retail



    like I said. Been a while and not confident i've got this right. Advices plz!

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    Reviewing everything but the GPU atm, it seems solid. And good prices vs amazon for the case, ssd and cpu at least.

    <£20 PSU isn't confidence-inspiring, but CiT is a somewhat recognized brand to me. Corsair seem to do a 350W 80Plus for £31.11.
    Corsair Value Select RAM has done me proud for years.

    The mobo and GPU seem a bit overkill for non-gaming. Would an A320 chipset not be more suited, or do you really want the 2nd USB 3.1, & overclockability + forward-compatibility for a better AM4 CPU down the line?
    A quick skim doesn't show a cheaper Radeon GPU worth actually paying for.

    Hasn't the Ryzen 2500U APU just showed up, and thus herald a suitable lower-end version due in the coming few months that'd save you the whole GPU cost?

    I will also remind that if you want to connect fans, either that come with the case or sourced elsewhere, check if they're PWM or not. Nothing worse than fans that the mobo can't throttle down when there's nothing really heat-generating happening.

    P.S. If you go for the mATX mobo, and especially also the APU & just 1 3.5" drive, might an mATX case not be nicer, over a mid-tower one? I think that'd just mean a different PSU form-factor.
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    mATX mobo minus the Gpu would be nice but I can't wait. I Wasn't clued up on PWM so thanks for that.

    Got me thinking about the mATX and found this https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/-dt....07/version.asp

    Which way would you go ?

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    Personally I wouldn't buy Intel, wouldn't buy an SSD that small in 2018 (more bang/buck at ~250GB, though a 128GB SSD was great for light use for years), question why that's not a slim DVD drive (no big deal though), and would want to be sure the internal case space fits the 3.5" drive you mentioned plus a 2nd 2.5"/M.2 SSD down the line (more of a mobo thing w.r.t. M.2).

    Again, personally, I'd wait the few months to get a Ryzen APU (can't find a confirmed date/quarter) & system that'll be futureproof for many years. A low end APU now in an AM4 will 99% certainty be able to take a Zen 2+ CPU down the line and a PCI-E card. Even adding just 8GB RAM in a 2nd slot should be absolutely plenty in several years time even if usage significantly increases.

    But I did wait quite some time between my Phenom II x3 and Ryzen 5. I get that others can't. I also wouldn't buy pre-built. And didn't consider OS cost because of existing owned licenses & Linux.

    With no experience of TFX format PSUs, I'd probably stick to something more like a Fractal 1100, simply smaller than a mid-tower but still (m)ATX.
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    Any chance that a tablet would be a better buy?

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    I'd cut the gpu and just get a A12-9800E APU. Costs the same as an Ryzen 1300, and I doubt that it is that much worse.
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    Not buying a Zen gen would be folly.
    Part of why they're so good is the value for money, for similar money you're buying a far superior arrangement of the materials.
    As well as future-proof mobo socket. Hmm, that is an AM4 chip?.. but you'd still want a mobo with DDR4 sockets. Ok, it apparently supports that to, but only to 2400 & with halved bandwidth issues.

    It's 1/2 to 2/3 the Ryzen 3 1200 in the best cases.
    An option, yeah ok. But probably not a value one to stick with for subsequent years, or with reasonable chance of resale in a few months once the current gen of APU comes out.

    The main thing seems to be the GPU side is good, when Freddy doesn't need it to be, and the CPU & RAM side is weak, which is a poor choice for a setup to last several years.
    An APU would be a great solution, this APU not so much. If only there was a date for the new ones.

    And the only tablet I saw with the new Zen APU was ~£900.
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    Well, A tablet isn't what he's looking for. Ryzen would be the prefered choice personally just due to it being newer tech at brilliant pricing. I also came across this review of the A12 9800e. Just didn't sell it to me.

    I had a tinker with my shopping list last night and actually managed to bump it up to a Ryzen 5 by switching it to a dead basic Nvidea card (Gforce GT710 1GB) for about £28.
    so now i can build this Ryzen 3 system for £432

    1 £29.16 450W Corsair VS450, Fully Wired, 80 PLUS White, SLI/CrossFire, Single Rail, 34A, 120mm Fan, ATX PSU

    1 £29.16 Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3 Compact Computer Chassis, 345mm Max GPU Length, 2x USB 3.0, mATX/mITX, Black

    1 £44.99 ASUS PRIME A320M-K, AMD A320, S AM4, DDR4, SATA3, M.2 (PCIe/SATA), Realtek GbE, USB 3.1 Gen1 A, MicroATX

    1 £94.16 AMD Ryzen™ 3 1300X, S AM4, Quad Core, 4 Thread, 3.5GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB Cache, 65W, CPU, Retail,+Wraith Stealth Cooler

    1 £74.58 8GB (1x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Value Select, PC4-21300 (2666), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 18-18-18-43, 1.2V

    1 £56.99 240GB WD Green, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 3D NAND, Read 545MB/s, Retail

    1 £21.99 1GB ASUS GeForce GT 710 Silent, PCIe 2.0 (x16), 5012MHz GDDR5, GPU 954MHz, Cores 192, HDMI/DVI-D DL/D-Sub(VGA)


    or I can bump it up to a ryzen 5 and still be under £500. What you think Daneel worthwile to go Ryzen 5 or is that pure overkill ? Can I just chuck in the GT710 Without issues with the Ryzen chips ?
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    Ryzen 5 would be overkill unless there's some not-MS-Office actual data/media-crunching work your dad's doing. IIRC a Ryzen 3 1300X is still like a Core i5, a latest gen quad core architecture CPU with single core turbo.

    nVidia card should be fine, but you can also get a Radeon 230 1GB or 2GB for £29-33. But it does appear the 2-years-newer 710 smokes the 230, about twice the paper performance stats. APUs have decimated this market, I don't know if there's a newer Radeon in it.
    Edit: that seems to be the R5/R7 430. But only for OEMs? A Dell one is £50... and "Direct Rebrand of R7 240 OEM / R7 340"?

    The nVidia 710 doesn't do HDMI 2.0, probably not an issue though. Do check you'll have the DVI/HDMI/DP cable coming with this bundle or otherwise available to connect your monitor, what with cables being 2x-4x the price on the highstreet vs online if you can bundle them to avoid the shipping costs.

    Is that mobo inc VAT? Where are you buying from?!

    As for spending more, is now the time to get a newer cheap mouse or keyboard? Or perhaps a adjustable stand/VESA mount if not using something snazzy like a Dell monitor with a quality integrated one.
    Or maybe just a modern USB3+ pendrive, can get some nice fast ones with regular + micro USB connectors, convenient for PC and smart/Android devices (if they can be host).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Ryzen 5 would be overkill unless there's some not-MS-Office actual data/media-crunching work your dad's doing. IIRC a Ryzen 3 1300X is still like a Core i5, a latest gen quad core architecture CPU with single core turbo.
    FYI: The i3-8100 is a quad-core, the i5 is a hex-core. I have an i3 in my new build and it has zero trouble running DX:MD at 60fps on high settings.
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    Ok, but the i5 was quad core until Oct 2017 8th gen. In many people's mind it's been quad core and plenty good enough (if you're willing to fund Intel) for 4+ years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy Dare View Post
    My old man has asked me to replace his current desktop machine. it's an old budget AMD system that's showing it's age,

    Only basic requirements office/browing/music No gaming. Thinking SSD and mebe a lower tier Ryzen are the way to go so it runs nicely and boots quickly.
    Will reuse his current 1tb sata HDD for storage But want to replace powert supply and everything else.

    Totally out of the loop as Iv'e not upgraded my own system yet so some suggestions would be welcome.

    just chucked this together which come's in at £509 Case,Mobo,Cpu,Gpu,Ram & PS

    £18.32 480W CiT Black Edition CIT480UB PSU, Dual (2) Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX PSU

    £33.32 Cooler Master N300 Black Mid Tower Performance Case w/o PSU

    £67.49 Gigabyte AB350-GAMING, AMD B350, S AM4, DDR4, SATA3, M.2 (PCIe/SATA), Realtek LAN, USB 3.1 A, ATX

    £69.99 2GB Sapphire Radeon RX 550 PULSE, 14nm Polaris, 512 Streams, 1206MHz GPU, 7000MHz GDDR5, DP/HDMI/DVI-D DL

    £94.16 AMD Ryzen™ 3 1300X, S AM4, Quad Core, 4 Thread, 3.5GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB Cache, 65W, CPU, Retail,+Wraith Stealth Cooler

    £74.58 8GB (1x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Value Select, PC4-21300 (2666), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 18-18-18-43, 1.2V

    £56.99 240GB WD Green, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 3D NAND, Read 545MB/s, Retail



    like I said. Been a while and not confident i've got this right. Advices plz!
    Alternative is get yourself a cheap £200 Chinese laptop and add an m.2 drive for mega startup speed and storage. Its gonna do everything your old man needs, use hardly any power, be small, portable, better priced than a £500 desktop. Did the same for myself and love it. No regrets. Its not gonna do any cinebench stuff but neither is your dad. He's watching youporn.

    https://www.gearbest.com/laptops/pp_620750.html + ebay yourself a 250 gig m.2 samsung evo 850 or something for £50 quid.

    Downsides are of course if it breaks you're fucked, and it might take a month to arrive. 6 gig of ram isnt great (but unbeatable at that price range) but unless he likes to rapidly tab between 17 different "teens first porn film" videos its not gonna be an actual issue.

    Just an alternative to consider.

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    Did suggest he went the laptop route actually but he insisted on the desktop.

    Last week I would have confirmed it was to Youporn away in the back room but they diagnosed him with a massive prostate infection which has him "attempting" to piss about 40 times a day. I suspect his porn days are almost over. I will be pestering him to upgrade the aging monitor but that's gonna be later on in the year, it's taken me 12 months to convince him to upgrade the tower ffs.

    Thanks for all your input chaps

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    Laptops can haz connection to monitor?

    Chucking in my usual 200 quid recommendation of the HP 2570p, I think you can find one with a SSD in that monies nowadays.
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    A new monitor is always so nice, doubly so to have a 2nd one.
    Unless it's a high DPI one that demands Win10 to do UI scaling decently per monitor, and while the user has poor eyesight.

    Yes, laptops typically can/could connect 1 monitor, at least VGA or HDMI/DP, perhaps DVI was less common (even netbooks had VGA). I've not looked at them in years, but never needed a docking station, they're just nice to have e.g. in a hotdesking work office to save time & wear on all the USB connectors for mouse, keyboard, power, etc.
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    Yea well he's knocking on a bit now so therefore he want's what he wants...

    We discussed the Monitor issue tonight, it's currently one of those combi TV/monitor types with built in Freeview. Its shit. I told him so when he bought it and he soon realised himself. it's 22" 1080p but the screen quality is terrible.

    He's getting onto Virgin about installing a second tv box in the back room, if he does this the Freeview is not required anymore and he can upgrade to a Better/Bigger Monitor, Which one I don't yet know but has was suggesting around 28" may work for him as
    he likes to also sit on the couch and watch the footie!. I think he wanted bigger but I am of the persuasion much bigger than that and he won't be sitting at his desk very often. I've yet to look at monitors but suggestions on the topic welcome. you boys know your shit.

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    Buy 16 RAM . 8 is not enough even for casual browsing (if barely it is now, it will not be in nearby future)

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    Quote Originally Posted by macout View Post
    Buy 16 RAM . 8 is not enough even for casual browsing (if barely it is now, it will not be in nearby future)
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    Quote Originally Posted by macout View Post
    Buy 16 RAM . 8 is not enough even for casual browsing (if barely it is now, it will not be in nearby future)
    I sit and play rocket league, Dayz, iracing and tons of other shit every night with a measly 8 Gig of ram...

    the Ram is fkin expensive right now too. Not a viable addition imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy Dare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by macout View Post
    Buy 16 RAM . 8 is not enough even for casual browsing (if barely it is now, it will not be in nearby future)
    I sit and play rocket league, Dayz, iracing and tons of other shit every night with a measly 8 Gig of ram...

    the Ram is fkin expensive right now too. Not a viable addition imo.
    Exactly. I recently upgraded a relative's system from 512MB to 1GB, and it's still slow, but certainly usable. And my RPi has 1GB, which suits it just fine. Ghost Recon Wildlands on max settings barely uses 10GB.

    4GB is fine, 8GB if you intend to run antivirus.
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