[PVP] Phantasm (you look very pretty today)

[W0lf Crendraven]

Easy example:
A 3 BCU Cerberus shooting CN Scourge at my Phantasm does 99 dps to it, and 109 DPS to my fit with T2 LSEs. That's a 10.1% increase in damage taken, but they only increase your EHP by 8%.

That's just naked lvl 5 character no implants/links etc.

Thats also not a rlml cerb, so that comparison is fairly invalid, although even vs rlml you do take less dps IF you are at full speed, there are no mgcs and no webs applied. Was actually doing the numbers, and it just shows how completely absurd links are again, you lower applied dps by RLMLS!!! by almost 50%? (meaning to say you half it, i hate %).

Also, at the fit, if you go the max sigtank route id go t2 poly rig, t1 aux rig, t1 locus rig (loses you only 1 km optimal) and drop a nano for a heatsink for more dps or a dcu for more ehp.


But the stats still look so shit :/, anything with a web can keep up with you and keep you within 13km, and if you are in a straight burn you negate all advantages of your sig tank vs guns, not sure if orbit @500 would help though. Vni, orthrus, ishtar, deimos et cetera all look so much better.

[Witch Bernkastel]

If you go the max sigtank route, you should do active tanking.

[Benji]

[Phantasm, Unnamed loadout]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor
Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Acolyte II x3


I'm don't think this ship is really cost effective compared to a nomen, but it still seems like a cool and very good ship regardless. Being able to not care about scrams is really unique. Oversized ab ships like the vni also are able to do this.

[Keckers]

Stats? Speed, dps, tank?

[Benji]

627 dps unheated 713 heated. Obviously less with long range ammo.
1629 Ms unheated speed 2280 heated. 17k ehp. Unheated booster reps 127 241 burst. 140 312 heated

[W0lf Crendraven]

Tried this today:

[Phantasm, 10mn beam]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x3
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Gleam M x3
Aurora M x3
Imperial Navy Gamma M x3
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x3



1593/2221m/s, tanks 167dps with blue pill (230 with heat), with everything running (bar the nos) 3min43 capstable (super stable without the booster running), 17k ehp, 629 dps at 18+10 (dps is amazing, you so wreck frigs and you just chew through cruisers, also since its a phantasm you can heat your guns up to 2 minutes, making you do 728dps in reality for most of the fight).

Only had one fight in it tbf so cant really say how good it really is, its a weird ship, its sort of a semibrawler. You cant really kite but you dont brawl either, as long as you engage manageable stuff on grid it really shines.

Speed as such is horrible though, you really ought to have links or snakes or best both. Dont need it for 1v1s or so but vs gangs or fast ab + web frigs you have to have at least one of them (and tbh, if you are a solo or small gang pvper atm and dont own at least a mg snake set you are doing something wrong)


What always irked me about this ship is the totally shit cap, guns + prop + point on cap booster fits require constant boosting before you even tank, the battery makes this ship awesome to use.

[n0th]

tanks 167dps with blue pill (230 with heat)
(...)
you really ought to have links or snakes or best both

W0lf Crendraven demonstrating once again why 70% of FHC has him on ignore

[W0lf Crendraven]

Compared to a dual lse fit you have more ehp after about 40 seconds of pew pew, and especially due to the ab damage migation it is really nice having the sustained tank. Sure a medium cap booster + large shield booster tanks more (well if you go for the pimp version, but those are super cheap atm), but that also eats cap boosters like crazy which is a total pita in actual pvp, so while the stats are better on paper the actual experience is horrible.

Web or scram is debateable.


And i just want to point out that you yourself posted kiting phantasm fits slower then this one, so not sure what point you are trying to make. Advising people to use snakes or links or both with specific fits is now worth ignoring or what? Or is the pure mentioning of either so evil that we must not discuss them?

[Witch Bernkastel]

Linked phantasm with a medium cap booster and Pith LSB somewhat tanks. Phantasm with an MSB does not tank at all. The mere assumption to fly it unlinked makes your entire post a bad troll attempt for anyone who does not know who you are.

[W0lf Crendraven]

Speed is the issue with the ship, not tank. And yes, the pith x type offers more tank with (as long as you have cap boosters) very similar cap, but at least for me the ship is basicely unflyable that way due to constant cap booster needs, making even basic ganks affairs after which you have to restock.

Im more then happy to sacrifice stats for quility of life here.

The fit itself is still strong enough to win most 1v1s (due to the scram mostly).


Also i never really trolled the fitting section.

[QuackBot]

Linked phantasm with a medium cap booster and Pith LSB somewhat tanks. Phantasm with an MSB does not tank at all. The mere assumption to fly it unlinked makes your entire post a bad troll attempt for anyone who does not know who you are.

Dead thread do not post what do i know.

[Witch Bernkastel]

Im more then happy to sacrifice stats for quility of life here.

Well, take a cookie cutter LSB Phantasm and swap a locus with a cargo rig.

[W0lf Crendraven]

Im more then happy to sacrifice stats for quility of life here.

Well, take a cookie cutter LSB Phantasm and swap a locus with a cargo rig.

That doesnt fix the problem, the ship is a pain in the arse to fly with a cap booster. With the battery its amazing even if its worse in terms of tank (not that much worse mind you, burst tank is much lower but sustain is quite similar).

Anyways, more importantly dont fit pulse lazors, fit beams. Much surperior.

[QuackBot]

627 dps unheated 713 heated. Obviously less with long range ammo.
1629 Ms unheated speed 2280 heated. 17k ehp. Unheated booster reps 127 241 burst. 140 312 heated

Booster and draco. Because blapping someone with 32+ damage in conjunction with furnace of rath is hilarious..

[W0lf Crendraven]

Tried the beam lsb version today, still not sure what i like more this or the medium booster version in general, but atm lowsec is seeded so well with 800s that right now you can get them in almost every system station or not due to endless citadels everywhere so it wasnt as horrible as it usually is (i still had to buy capboosters after every fight). Cap cost me 2 kills, but im not sure if i didnt have to bail with a msb earlier anways. But in most fights i got both version would have done equally as well i think.


[Phantasm, beam kiting]

IFFA Compact Damage Control
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

[Empty High slot]
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Acolyte II x3


Aurora M x3
Gleam M x3
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x3
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x3
Navy Cap Booster 800 x15


Standard beam version.




Beams are still absurd, you can heat forever so you do pretty much 660 dps at 22 or 715 at 18, those stats are just op for a cruiser. Its almost the same dps as a nightmare does with scorch or the damage 2 omen navys put out. Tracking wasnt really an issue for me as long as you dont fight ab frigs that try to maintain transversal, although i did run a web. Not sure whats better scram vs web. Scram lets you kite stuff 100% at 10km but the web is also really nice to catch stuff and to make you apply better (idk if you can track frigs within 10km if their mwd is off). Also scram doesnt fit so would have to meta something (and just the cap booster doesnt work).

The damage just is insanely high. I think ill try a version with faction tackle because being able to pull out a bit is just very nice to have (had to permaboost in a phantasm 1v1, so he got out in low hull cause of cap). I would have lost the ship multiple times with pulse lazors (being able to force off an orthrus while his recon buddies are slowly catching up is just super nice)



All testing was done with hg snakes 1-6, em-705, zors, rf-905 (and skirm link), its doable without them but its a lot more do or die at that point. (also FU noth if you complain again)