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    As soon as it's legal to be driven home by my self-driving city car after 6 pints, i'm getting one.
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    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    I imagine any implementation of driverless vehicles will probably be done with driverless city zones. It'll be an add on to public transport I would think, since existing road infrastructure can be used you just take the sack out of meat away from the wheel, have driverless buses and driverless uber or whatever and phase it in stage by stage. Biggest problem is driverless cars sharing the road with unpredictable human drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Yeah the tech just isn't there right now, this is why apple has pulled their funding for their entire autonomous vehicle program, and its not like anyone has more money to throw around than they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I imagine any implementation of driverless vehicles will probably be done with driverless city zones. It'll be an add on to public transport I would think, since existing road infrastructure can be used you just take the sack out of meat away from the wheel, have driverless buses and driverless uber or whatever and phase it in stage by stage. Biggest problem is driverless cars sharing the road with unpredictable human drivers.
    and shadows. and sun glare. and water. and snow. and debris like leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
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    I imagine any implementation of driverless vehicles will probably be done with driverless city zones. It'll be an add on to public transport I would think, since existing road infrastructure can be used you just take the sack out of meat away from the wheel, have driverless buses and driverless uber or whatever and phase it in stage by stage. Biggest problem is driverless cars sharing the road with unpredictable human drivers.
    and shadows. and sun glare. and water. and snow. and debris like leaves.
    So you're saying we limit them to 20mph in wet weather and roll them out in London first? Sounds good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    As soon as it's legal to be driven home by my self-driving city car after 6 pints, i'm getting one.
    Holy fuck I've never thought about that one! Go technology go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    I imagine any implementation of driverless vehicles will probably be done with driverless city zones. It'll be an add on to public transport I would think, since existing road infrastructure can be used you just take the sack out of meat away from the wheel, have driverless buses and driverless uber or whatever and phase it in stage by stage. Biggest problem is driverless cars sharing the road with unpredictable human drivers.
    and shadows. and sun glare. and water. and snow. and debris like leaves.
    So you're saying we limit them to 20mph in wet weather and roll them out in London first? Sounds good to me.
    This sounds pretty adequate to me, a city environment is one where electric cars are actually somewhat practical and nobody wants to drive in London anyway.

    Other than that window lickers in slow self driving cars are unwelcome on my wet and windy country lanes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    With all due respect, autopilot in a plane is akin to cruise control in a car. It simply maintans heading and altitude and can follow ILS signal.
    Let me introduce you the X-47B, which takes off, flies, lands and even selects its targets itself. And only due to legal reasons a human still pulls the trigger. Technically there's no need for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    With all due respect, autopilot in a plane is akin to cruise control in a car. It simply maintans heading and altitude and can follow ILS signal.
    Let me introduce you the X-47B, which takes off, flies, lands and even selects its targets itself. And only due to legal reasons a human still pulls the trigger. Technically there's no need for that.
    ikr. When most people say drones, what they are really saying is RC planes. When people around where I live say drones. They are mostly talking about a spectrum of semi-autonomous to autonomous systems. If you don't think there is technological, er, trickle down, from defense spending into the US R&D infrastructure, you don't actually understand how the process works, and defense is spending a whole shitload on autonomous systems, which consumer cars will benefit from.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingHipster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.
    inductive charging

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingHipster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DancingHipster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.
    inductive charging
    That's not going to solve the problem. The problem lies in power capacity, not access to power outlets

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingHipster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.
    inductive charging
    That's not going to solve the problem. The problem lies in power capacity, not access to power outlets
    If you are talking about powering the autonomous unit (heh), that is squarely still a Moore's law problem. Meaning battery packs don't have to get bigger, the computers and sensors have to get smaller, which they are still doing.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.
    inductive charging
    That's not going to solve the problem. The problem lies in power capacity, not access to power outlets
    If you are talking about powering the autonomous unit (heh), that is squarely still a Moore's law problem. Meaning battery packs don't have to get bigger, the computers and sensors have to get smaller, which they are still doing.
    Haven't said such a thing. But still, given the fact it uses the power equivalent of 50-100 laptops running in your booth today, that is still many years into the future before it's not such a power drain it is actually practical, even with the exponential improvement dictated by moores law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Regardless of how the development and overture to the world of electrical from traditional combustion driven cars is, I hope people realise that self driven cars have still a long way to go. I'm doubtful we'll see that implemented properly in our society within the next 15-20 years tbh. The technology is not feasible in this point in time. Especially self driven pure electrical vehicles.
    Level 5 yes, but level 4 is not that far away. Rumours have it that google is launching a trial (Phoenix area?) this year or next, with level 4 cars (no driver inside). If it goes well, and I can't think that google wouldn't make sure that it does, the PR disaster would just be too big, we will see the technology being rolled out over the next ~5 years.
    Which I doubt will be of much use outside a technical showcase. Considering todays autonomous prototypes consumes way too much power to be viable for electrical cars. They still have a long way to go.
    inductive charging
    That's not going to solve the problem. The problem lies in power capacity, not access to power outlets
    If you are talking about powering the autonomous unit (heh), that is squarely still a Moore's law problem. Meaning battery packs don't have to get bigger, the computers and sensors have to get smaller, which they are still doing.
    Haven't said such a thing. But still, given the fact it uses the power equivalent of 50-100 laptops running in your booth today, that is still many years into the future before it's not such a power drain it is actually practical, even with the exponential improvement dictated by moores law.
    Sure, I'm just saying this stuff has a habit of happening faster than we think it will.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post

    Sure, I'm just saying this stuff has a habit of happening faster than we think it will.
    Indeed. I still remember taking a PanAm shuttle to orbital hotel back in 2001. That was quite an odissey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    Sure, I'm just saying this stuff has a habit of happening faster than we think it will.
    Indeed. I still remember taking a PanAm shuttle to orbital hotel back in 2001. That was quite an odissey.

    Sure, but they got some things right.

    Certainly, personalized entertainment,



    and modular memory



    are two pretty big concepts.
    meh

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