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    Spanish Inquisition 2: Catalan Boogaloo

    Catalan referendum vote met with massive show of force by Spanish police trying to stop the vote:


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    I thought us on the bedraggled isles were the undemocratic police state bunch?

    The bloomin' SNP must be counting their lucky stars.

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    we're already talking about this in the EU fred fwiw

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    y'know, this is how terror groups are born.
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    Democracy at work



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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    we're already talking about this in the EU fred fwiw
    Thought that was a fred specifically for autism German things

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    Democracy not at work
    FTFY
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Economically Catalan is entirely dependent on Spain
    Other way round m8. Catalonia accounts for 20% of Spain's GDP with low unemployment, high incomes and high exports. The only real economic barrier to Catalonian independence is its relatively high debt levels.

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    Good job Spain.

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    Everything starts with the constitution, which basically prohibits separation. If they did not stop the referendum, the authorities were accused by the other side.

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    Yeah pretty fucking awful way to deal with this not that it is unexpected... I am guessing ETA will be rearing their heads again after this show of farce from the national government.

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    Constitutional bars on secession are a no-win scenario. If there is sufficient support in a region that separation becomes a real possibility then legally forbidding voting on it just stokes up more separatist support, especially when 'no' involves beatings and rubber bullets.

    I'm astonished by the Spanish government's tactics, nobody there seems to have any grasp of history at all. Reaching for the big stick never works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
    Constitutional bars on secession are a no-win scenario. If there is sufficient support in a region that separation becomes a real possibility then legally forbidding voting on it just stokes up more separatist support, especially when 'no' involves beatings and rubber bullets.

    I'm astonished by the Spanish government's tactics, nobody there seems to have any grasp of history at all. Reaching for the big stick never works.
    Worked for the Union.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
    Constitutional bars on secession are a no-win scenario. If there is sufficient support in a region that separation becomes a real possibility then legally forbidding voting on it just stokes up more separatist support, especially when 'no' involves beatings and rubber bullets.

    I'm astonished by the Spanish government's tactics, nobody there seems to have any grasp of history at all. Reaching for the big stick never works.
    Worked for the Union.
    Didnt work for Francos "heir".
    https://elpais.com/elpais/2013/12/18...99_382537.html

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    I can only assume Spain didn't want that region anyway, as they couldn't encourage independence better any other way.

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    And it has already been replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Economically Catalan is entirely dependent on Spain
    Other way round m8. Catalonia accounts for 20% of Spain's GDP with low unemployment, high incomes and high exports. The only real economic barrier to Catalonian independence is its relatively high debt levels.
    Catalonia and Basque country basically carry the entire country on their backs. The resentment comes from decades of brutal fascist rule that oppressed the Basque and Catalans, as well as how corrupt the central government in Madrid is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Economically Catalan is entirely dependent on Spain
    Other way round m8. Catalonia accounts for 20% of Spain's GDP with low unemployment, high incomes and high exports. The only real economic barrier to Catalonian independence is its relatively high debt levels.
    Certainly true. But without the EU, Catalonia has no GDP. Catalonia cannot afford themselves to separate even without having international support and especially Europe's support. Fat chance they will get any support from the EU.

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    Right but that's a political issue. There's nothing in the EU constitution that would prevent automatic accession. It's Spain's opposition to the idea that makes it a thing, and that stems to their terror at the idea of Catalan independence; their economy would be fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Economically Catalan is entirely dependent on Spain
    Other way round m8. Catalonia accounts for 20% of Spain's GDP with low unemployment, high incomes and high exports. The only real economic barrier to Catalonian independence is its relatively high debt levels.
    Certainly true. But without the EU, Catalonia has no GDP. Catalonia cannot afford themselves to separate even without having international support and especially Europe's support. Fat chance they will get any support from the EU.
    Isn't it more like Madrid can veto any attempt by a theoretically independent Catalonia/Navarra to join the EU?

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