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    I hope solid state batteries are coming (becoming commercially viable), but if they are, no one is yet willing to share details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    I hope solid state batteries are coming (becoming commercially viable), but if they are, no one is yet willing to share details.
    There's only one lab publishing results on them, and none else can repeat the results so it's not close. Its only due to Goodenough's track record it hasn't been totally written off as a scam as far as i can tell.

    There's a liquid sodium battery research project up and running now though, that looks promising.

    "Spoerke added that it would likely take five to 10 years to get sodium-iodide batteries to market, with most of the remaining challenges being commercialization challenges, rather than technical challenges."

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    You misunderstood, I meant 5 years technological and industrial development makes cost estimates from 5 years ago entirely obsolete today. The pace of change is such that as little as 2-3 years might mean a substantial two digit percentage change in costs.
    Austerity automation thread is two floors down, mate. We know why NPPs aren't getting build, we are asking if cutting costs is worth 10 billion people living and breathing in toxic sludge in 2100.
    Apparently yes if that puts oysters on your table now.
    you see we're literally a minute away from midnight on the big doomsday clock, and that means all you dumbasses need to accept big cuts and a diminished lifestyle. But this thing that let's us have reliable 0 emissions energy is uhhh...too expensive and hard
    it's not reliable though. It's only reliable once you have built it and building it is not reliable AT ALL, in fact its among the least reliable.
    Limpdick semantics aside, it is a reliable source of energy. More reliable than renewables who have downtime and need to be overbuilt to account for that. If your beef is with the construction, I suggest you stop being corrupt and inept, simple as.

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    How does one construct without inept corruption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    The hardest counter-point against launching shit into the sun is the possibility of the rocket going boom but even then there is math to be done if it happening in bumfuck pacific would be more harmful than the oil spills which are much more probable.

    But it's all academic at this point imo because we can build these now
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREST_(reactor)
    A concept of a reactor that burns waste and is being cooled by lead? Could have sworn it was russian even before I saw it written .
    You could have an american reactor but that government has sucked too much big oil cock.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_fast_reactor

    French and japan are putting all the nuclear research chips they have available in fusion via ITER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
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    Bumfuck Sahara on the other hand would make it even cheaper closer you move to the equator
    As opposed to the pacific ocean? :frysquint:
    Yup, in case of rocket explosion resulting damage to the environment is much easier to contain. Good luck sieving waste in Pacific currents.
    I meant the latitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
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    Man successful in specific industry denies bias in favour of specific industry
    We are successful in a basically all sustainable energy-related technologies, I've got no specific bias in favour of batteries. We own a peaking portfolio, CHP, EfW, wind, solar, biomass, AD. No coal or nuclear and we dont run an interconnector but that's about it.
    But you said you have no customers? So you are not in engineering... Are you just trading investing, lmao?
    If you dont know what project development is that's your problem.
    You don't have a marketing or product. You don't have customers. You don't have engineers.

    So you run a green energy hedge fund? It sure looks like you run a green energy hedge fund from what you're saying.
    Notice how lallante did not dispute that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    How does one construct without inept corruption?
    Make the privately educated social pariahs
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    There is no inept corruption in green energy, no sir.

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    Not corruption but many stupid investors with too much money and no understanding of the laws of thermodynamics
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    If you throw enough money at a fundamental problem it goes away. It is known, khaleesi.

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    Also if anyone thinks batteries are super safe but nuclear waste stockpiles are terrorist magnets etc, I dare you to take your phone battery out and hit it with a hammer as hard as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    I hope solid state batteries are coming (becoming commercially viable), but if they are, no one is yet willing to share details.
    Of course not an expert. But doesnt solid state mean no moving parts? If so how does a battery have a moving part? Srsr question
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    A solid-state battery is a battery technology that uses solid electrodes and a solid electrolyte, instead of the liquid or polymer gel electrolytes found in lithium-ion or lithium polymer batteries.
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_battery

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    Ideally, a battery that doesn't leak caustic goo or go into thermal runaway when damaged.

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    That the great part of electric cars - if they burn you don't have to pay cremation costs for the occupants (kind of like Russian tanks).

    A lot of the changes are coming about simply because they make economic sense. Regenerative farming and carbon capture via soil is all the rage atm in Oz, but doing the improvements that come with regenerative farming boost productivity to the point you'd be stupid not to do it even without the sbility to scam carbon credits on top.

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    EVs are seen as a transition technology. The difference between this one and NPPs: easy to implement, fast to build, not (that) toxic once they will be replaced/disassembled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    I hope solid state batteries are coming (becoming commercially viable), but if they are, no one is yet willing to share details.
    There's only one lab publishing results on them, and none else can repeat the results so it's not close. Its only due to Goodenough's track record it hasn't been totally written off as a scam as far as i can tell.

    There's a liquid sodium battery research project up and running now though, that looks promising.

    "Spoerke added that it would likely take five to 10 years to get sodium-iodide batteries to market, with most of the remaining challenges being commercialization challenges, rather than technical challenges."
    There's no way anyone will share anything other than early stage results until they have a working commercial product and a clear pathway to mass production to be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Also if anyone thinks batteries are super safe but nuclear waste stockpiles are terrorist magnets etc, I dare you to take your phone battery out and hit it with a hammer as hard as you can.
    sCiEnCe

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    You misunderstood, I meant 5 years technological and industrial development makes cost estimates from 5 years ago entirely obsolete today. The pace of change is such that as little as 2-3 years might mean a substantial two digit percentage change in costs.
    Austerity automation thread is two floors down, mate. We know why NPPs aren't getting build, we are asking if cutting costs is worth 10 billion people living and breathing in toxic sludge in 2100.
    Apparently yes if that puts oysters on your table now.
    you see we're literally a minute away from midnight on the big doomsday clock, and that means all you dumbasses need to accept big cuts and a diminished lifestyle. But this thing that let's us have reliable 0 emissions energy is uhhh...too expensive and hard
    it's not reliable though. It's only reliable once you have built it and building it is not reliable AT ALL, in fact its among the least reliable.
    Limpdick semantics aside, it is a reliable source of energy. More reliable than renewables who have downtime and need to be overbuilt to account for that. If your beef is with the construction, I suggest you stop being corrupt and inept, simple as.
    What I said couldnt be further from semantics; it's literally the opposite, calling out disingenuous framing. Semantics is pretending a technology with insane degrees of construction risk (in industry terminology - cost and time and engineering problems in laymans terms) has high 'reliability' by defining reliability to exclude the construction period.

    Corruption and ineptitude are not the (only) problem, but to the degree that they are its the huge-single-point-of-investment that MAKES them such a problem. If you are developing 20 100MW sites you have a lot more capacity to dump the ones that are most problematic due to corrupt local politicians etc than if you are developing 1 2GW site.

    And its this 'all eggs in one basket' approach that characterises these massive single sources of energy that makes them always get delayed and over budget. One guy fucking up in a chain of 10000 actions is enough to throw off ALL of the actions after him. Parallelisation is not possible.
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