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    It still is. Until grid storage becomes far cheaper i honestly dont see solar taking more than 20% of energy production


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    @nordstern link? Afaik thorium reactors are still theoretical.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoriu...ar_power#India

    India's government is also developing up to 62, mostly thorium reactors, which it expects to be operational by 2025. It is the "only country in the world with a detailed, funded, government-approved plan" to focus on thorium-based nuclear power. The country currently gets under 2% of its electricity from nuclear power, with the rest coming from coal (60%), hydroelectricity (16%), other renewable sources (12%) and natural gas (9%).[47] It expects to produce around 25% of its electricity from nuclear power.[14] In 2009 the chairman of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission said that India has a "long-term objective goal of becoming energy-independent based on its vast thorium resources."[48][49]

    In late June 2012, India announced that their "first commercial fast reactor" was near completion making India the most advanced country in thorium research." We have huge reserves of thorium. The challenge is to develop technology for converting this to fissile material," stated their former Chairman of India's Atomic Energy Commission.[50] That vision of using thorium in place of uranium was set out in the 1950s by physicist Homi Bhabha.[51][52] India's first commercial fast breeder reactor — the 500 MWe Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) — is approaching completion at the Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research, Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu.

    As of July 2013 the major equipment of the PFBR had been erected and the loading of "dummy" fuels in peripheral locations was in progress. The reactor was expected to go critical by September 2014.[53] The Centre had sanctioned Rs. 5,677 crore for building the PFBR and “we will definitely build the reactor within that amount,” Mr. Kumar asserted. The original cost of the project was Rs. 3,492 crore, revised to Rs. 5,677 crore. Electricity generated from the PFBR would be sold to the State Electricity Boards at Rs. 4.44 a unit. BHAVINI builds breeder reactors in India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    @nordstern link? Afaik thorium reactors are still theoretical.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoriu...ar_power#India

    India's government is also developing up to 62, mostly thorium reactors, which it expects to be operational by 2025. It is the "only country in the world with a detailed, funded, government-approved plan" to focus on thorium-based nuclear power. The country currently gets under 2% of its electricity from nuclear power, with the rest coming from coal (60%), hydroelectricity (16%), other renewable sources (12%) and natural gas (9%).[47] It expects to produce around 25% of its electricity from nuclear power.[14] In 2009 the chairman of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission said that India has a "long-term objective goal of becoming energy-independent based on its vast thorium resources."[48][49]

    In late June 2012, India announced that their "first commercial fast reactor" was near completion making India the most advanced country in thorium research." We have huge reserves of thorium. The challenge is to develop technology for converting this to fissile material," stated their former Chairman of India's Atomic Energy Commission.[50] That vision of using thorium in place of uranium was set out in the 1950s by physicist Homi Bhabha.[51][52] India's first commercial fast breeder reactor — the 500 MWe Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) — is approaching completion at the Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research, Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu.

    As of July 2013 the major equipment of the PFBR had been erected and the loading of "dummy" fuels in peripheral locations was in progress. The reactor was expected to go critical by September 2014.[53] The Centre had sanctioned Rs. 5,677 crore for building the PFBR and “we will definitely build the reactor within that amount,” Mr. Kumar asserted. The original cost of the project was Rs. 3,492 crore, revised to Rs. 5,677 crore. Electricity generated from the PFBR would be sold to the State Electricity Boards at Rs. 4.44 a unit. BHAVINI builds breeder reactors in India.
    Im shocked to see that the Price on the project doubled from initial budget. Also research reactors are a long way from Commercial ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    In the real word countries with high % of nuclear power have lower cost of electricity than other countries. Just take a look at France vs Germany. Or how much is the cost of power from the Slovenian nuclear power plant. Those analysis seem to be defied by reality.
    That has nothing to do with how much NPPs there are, but with taxation. There's subsidies to further renewables and the higher the cost of lecetricity is, there more people are inclined to spend a thought or two about how to waste a few kW less. Which is btw the easiest way of fighting off climate change as long as the majre share of electricity is produced from fossil energy sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    That's pretty obviously been the goal all along for the energy companies. Deny until it's too ate, then throw up their hands and say it's too late to bother changing. Keep those quarterly profits up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Sad thing is they are right. Best course now would be to burn everything and get off the planet.

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    Also I'd suggest that this report justifies a substantially more authoritarian/command treatment of the carbon economy.

    Its time to start directing massive resources towards decarbonization of the economy and towards research into adaptive technology and geoengineered solutions to the climate problem.

    An economic model based on maximizing short-term returns and putting off the costs of externalities cannot cope with this problem. The resources to carry out the change are available, but the current social algorithm will not assign resources appropriately.

    Political will and state power can fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    It still is. Until grid storage becomes far cheaper i honestly dont see solar taking more than 20% of energy production
    20% is fucking huge btw. Look at the current world energy mix. If wind can grab 10-15% of the total, and wave another 10%, we could start putting a serious dent into coal power - tho not fucking likely considering China's way of doing things, those fuckers just won't stop :/
    It's hard to counter the convenience of building a coal plant any-fucking-where you want and just spam wagons of coal into it. Hydrogen is looking like the only non-carbon alternative of storing AND transporting energy. And if hydrogen leaks out of the tank, nbd, it's the lightest element in the universe, it fucks off real quick, and it'll recombine into water in the higher reaches of the atmosphere anyway on its own. Top up hydrogen tanks anywhere you have solar/wind/whatever producing excess energy. Praise the Sun! Literally.


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    orrrr

    we burn the chinese

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    At what point is military action against fossil fuel power plants justifiable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    At what point is military action against fossil fuel power plants justifiable?
    umm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    At what point is military action against fossil fuel power plants justifiable?
    When somebody takes the cost of climate change events and environmental shifts and convinces the largest nuclear super power in the world, that they're losing money with coal. Not to mention the sheer perversity of coal subsidies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lubica View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    At what point is military action against fossil fuel power plants justifiable?
    When somebody takes the cost of climate change events and environmental shifts and convinces the largest nuclear super power in the world, that they're losing money with coal. Not to mention the sheer perversity of coal subsidies.
    Sounds like sensible foreign policy to me.

    Decarbonize, or be decarbonized.

    You have twenty five years to comply.

    BTW, we'll sell you everything you need to do it. Hell, we'll even finance it for you at generous rates.
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    I don't doubt that serious eco-terrorism is far off.

    If the guberment is too useless to shut down big polluters, someone will probably take matters into their own hands.
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    Bitch we can't even stop the right wing slide the world's in

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    Quote Originally Posted by cullnean View Post
    Bitch we can't even stop the right wing slide the world's in

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    That's because the right wing usually fucks things up to the actual breaking point and then leaves the left to pick up the mess. It's just a matter of if we break before or after the point where serious state intervention is still useful.

    My understanding is that that window is a few decades at this point and we can hold it under 4c, but that 2c is pretty much guaranteed no matter what.

    Beyond 4c things are genuinely species-threatening, rather than merely geopolitically catastrophic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post

    Thanks free market capitalism.

    What a fucking neolib shitshow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post

    Thanks free market capitalism.

    What a fucking neolib shitshow.
    Liberals killed everyone C/D?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubica View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    At what point is military action against fossil fuel power plants justifiable?
    When somebody takes the cost of climate change events and environmental shifts and convinces the largest nuclear super power in the world, that they're losing money with coal. Not to mention the sheer perversity of coal subsidies.
    idk mate we are more about gas than coal

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