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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    There's a reason the Atlantic coast of Ireland is barely inhabited (even though it's gorgeous).
    That's not true. Lots of towns and villages on the coast + Galway city. Then there's the islanders. Granted most of these places are built where there's a bit of shelter or some cliffs/elevation. To say it's barely populated is just strange.

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    it's also just true. obviously some people live there but the population density is extremely low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitroast View Post
    I'll crosspost this from the daytthread lest it gets lost....

    Right after a huge CME....


    Are you suggesting that the solar storm and the earthquake are related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Whilst Hurricanes are much worse than even the worst north sea storms, the Dutch are in a worse starting position by being below sea level beforehand.

    Id like to think that slightly more stringent building codes and a more sturdy levee system might have saved some headaches in a place like Houston over the past few years.
    That would require government spending on a public good, which would require taxes and political will to help people generally with no real political upside.

    Its the USA.
    What would the cost estimate be for an effective Storm Protection system covering the gulf coast from Las Palomas up and around to the Atlantic coast just north of Long Island (very rough estimate, 9,000+ miles of needed coastal protection)?


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    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by spitroast View Post
    I'll crosspost this from the daytthread lest it gets lost....

    Right after a huge CME....


    Are you suggesting that the solar storm and the earthquake are related?
    I'm not suggesting it myself but some observers are looking into links between the two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
    Again with the strawman. Please try harder.

    But no, you forgot the part where the Rednecks living in the boonies don't believe in climate change, and so don't need any fancy-schmancy seawalls or wetlands restoration. /s
    Last edited by Lachesis VII; September 8 2017 at 02:23:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
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    If they don't like it they should vote in someone who will promise to fix things for them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
    Again with the strawman. Please try harder.
    Not really needed for you Comrade Lach.

    But no, you forgot the part where the Rednecks living in the boonies don't believe in climate change, and so don't need any fancy-schmancy seawalls or wetlands restoration. /s
    You really do embrace killing people for their beliefs, doncha Comrade.
    Last edited by Alistair; September 8 2017 at 02:53:19 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    Why do Americans always make such a big deal about their natural disasters? It happens all over the world you know and I bet your media doesnt even mention stuff like that
    Ah yes, who could forget the Slovenia HurriQuakeFernoNami

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    For context the damage to Houston alone is expected to come in on the order of $100Bn. Spending 3-4x that to protect core cities and transport links would return on investment in a decade or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    it's also just true. obviously some people live there but the population density is extremely low.
    That's true of basically everywhere in Ireland that isn't Belfast or Dublin

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    For context the damage to Houston alone is expected to come in on the order of $100Bn. Spending 3-4x that to protect core cities and transport links would return on investment when the next guy is in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
    We can't protect everyone therefore we should protect no one. Interesting position.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
    We can't protect everyone therefore we should protect no one. Interesting position.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Again with the strawman. Please try harder.
    Counter-Argument: Why should the State allow people to live in places subject to regular instances of environmental devastation?

    Since all land is the property of the State, comrade, wouldn't the most efficient choice be to relocate all people away from coastal at-risk environments further inland? After all, we got ALOT of empty inland to work with here.
    Would be cheaper than building Atlantic Wall II: Hurricane Boogaloo certainly. Would also be ecologicly friendly, returning coastal marshland and barrier islands to their natural state and purpose.

    And if people choose to stay, rather than accept the States gracious offer to relocate them, should the State be liable when the next storm hits?

    Really makes you think...
    Last edited by Alistair; September 8 2017 at 02:57:15 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Nice strawman.

    The entire coast does not need protection, just the densely populated parts.

    Probably looking at a few hundred billion to a trillion dollars, spent over a decade or two. Well within our economic capabilities, just not our political capabilities.
    So much for collective well being and equality, only protecting the big cities (and the big business) that exists there whilst leaving more sparsely populated locales to get fucked, eh?
    We can't protect everyone therefore we should protect no one. Interesting position.
    It's actually a very common trait with conservative argument in the U.S. I've noticed many examples on radio, on TV and from politicians over the years. Sort of all or nothing a topic to shut down rational discussion. Rand Paul's "Socialized medicine leads to gulags is my current favorite".
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Counter-Argument: Why should the State allow people to live in places subject to regular instances of environmental devastation?
    You mean planning and zoning regulations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Counter-Argument: Why should the State allow people to live in places subject to regular instances of environmental devastation?
    You mean planning and zoning regulations?
    Of the kind rejected by Texas on ideological grounds?

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