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    The only reason so many homes have been affected is because profit is king and common sense was tossed aside in order to cram in housing so landlords could make money off poor people.

    People shit on America because the prevalent economic attitude there is what creates these human tragedies out of natural disasters. It's not rocket science, those disproportionately affected by this are the poor. Those who will find a way to profit from this are the privileged few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The only reason so many homes have been affected is because profit is king and common sense was tossed aside in order to cram in housing so landlords could make money off poor people.

    People shit on America because the prevalent economic attitude there is what creates these human tragedies out of natural disasters. It's not rocket science, those disproportionately affected by this are the poor. Those who will find a way to profit from this are the privileged few.
    sorry keckers, go and tell residents of barbuda etc about your anti-capitlism rant. i'm sure they'll give a shit while 95% of their island (not american) has been rendered inhabitable.

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    How is that even related to what I've said? It's a completely separate issue which I didn't touch on.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    How is that even related to what I've said? It's a completely separate issue which I didn't touch on.
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    The only reason so many homes have been affected is because profit is king and common sense was tossed aside in order to cram in housing so landlords could make money off poor
    don't really see the american rentier class involved here. these people have been fucked becuase of a freak of nature, not capitlism.

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    I was referring to Houston. I made an assumption about the thread based on the title :shrug:
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I was referring to Houston. I made an assumption about the thread based on the title :shrug:
    no, you weren't - you responded to my post 'people shit on america' - i don't see that in the thread title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I was referring to Houston. I made an assumption about the thread based on the title :shrug:
    I assumed this too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    while people are eager to shit on the americans because they're americans, these sort of storms result in destroyed livelihoods, homes and society. yes, we sometimes have bad weather in europe (heatwaves in the summer, snow in the winter) we don't really get the variation they do. please don't be shitters about it - americans on fhc will have friends/family/colleagues whose lives will be turned upside down by this. and that's ignoring the basically total devastation that some caribbean islands have suffered.
    It's precisely the opposite IMHO. I care about everyone hurt by these disasters. Not just the Americans or inhabitants of the Caribbean islands, but also the people of Bangladesh etc. While you can excuse a 3rd world country for not having their shit in order it's hard to see all these lives severely affected in a country that has more than enough money to properly prepare for it. That doesn't mean business as usual when a storm like Irma hits, those are exceptional and will always have an enormous impact.

    And Alistair is right, The Netherlands doesn't get storms like that and certainly isn't prepared for it, but that's because it doesn't have to be. The windspeeds in Irma are roughly twice as fast as the kind of storms you get on the coast of the North Sea, which is quite a difference. The storm surge would not be a problem though, as our dikes facing the North Sea are about 40 ft high. Those are designed to cope with 23 ft waves on top of a 17 ft tide (the once in 10,000 years storm), so would easily take a 30 ft storm surge.

    Irma isn't the point though, all you can do is batten the hatches and ride it out. Sure, houses are built from tinder in the USA, but that also means they're cheaper to rebuild. The rest of the infrastructure is good enough that it won't cause a problem during the aftermath of the storm. The USA is in a far better position here than all the Caribbean islands. Sea defenses could be a lot better, which would mean a lot less water damage on the coast, but the wind is still the big killer.

    But Houston is the elephant in the room. It's water defenses are orders of magnitude worse than a country that doesn't get that kind of weather. It's not remotely prepared for the kind of weather that it is getting on a yearly basis, which seems inexcusable to an outsider. And that's not just about dikes, it's about comprehensive water management throughout your country to make sure water goes where it's supposed to go as quick as possible. Houston is completely unprepared for that. And AFAIK Houston is the rule and not the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
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    Why do Americans always make such a big deal about their natural disasters? It happens all over the world you know and I bet your media doesnt even mention stuff like that
    It doesn't really happen in the same way in first world countries that actually take care of things though.
    Hard to have forest fires when you don't have any forests
    Except we do? Not as large as in the US obviously, NL is much smaller.

    Forest fire is the one thing other first world countries do have actually. But flooding like Texas does... no.
    Well, if you had an entire gulf coast to put your country on, you might have to deal with them as well. The difference is that your government probably wouldn't have let it get to the point it has where it literally has no flood defenses because growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Why do Americans always make such a big deal about their natural disasters? It happens all over the world you know and I bet your media doesnt even mention stuff like that
    It doesn't really happen in the same way in first world countries that actually take care of things though.
    Hard to have forest fires when you don't have any forests
    Except we do? Not as large as in the US obviously, NL is much smaller.

    Forest fire is the one thing other first world countries do have actually. But flooding like Texas does... no.
    Well, if you had an entire gulf coast to put your country on, you might have to deal with them as well. The difference is that your government probably wouldn't have let it get to the point it has where it literally has no flood defenses because growth.
    But muh private property! A man has the right to build what he damn well pleases on his land!

    It's no accident that Houston has no zoning laws. They genuinely believe that market forces will naturally produce an idealized land-use scheme. And they may be right, to the extent that eventually these storms will drive enough capital and labor away that rebuilding no longer makes sense and they'll become another Detroit—that's underwater once a year.

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    Yea the free market would work here. If not for he subsidized federal flood insurance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Whilst Hurricanes are much worse than even the worst north sea storms, the Dutch are in a worse starting position by being below sea level beforehand.
    So is inland Florida
    Actually an '06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Whilst Hurricanes are much worse than even the worst north sea storms, the Dutch are in a worse starting position by being below sea level beforehand.
    So is inland Florida
    You mean the southern part? That's the everglades swamp. Or Miami. But soon they'll be one and the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Whilst Hurricanes are much worse than even the worst north sea storms, the Dutch are in a worse starting position by being below sea level beforehand.
    So is inland Florida
    You mean the southern part? That's the everglades swamp. Or Miami. But soon they'll be one and the same.

    Oooo I just remembered I know someone who lives in the everglades.... Stay safe cow lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    And Alistair is right, The Netherlands doesn't get storms like that and certainly isn't prepared for it, but that's because it doesn't have to be. The windspeeds in Irma are roughly twice as fast as the kind of storms you get on the coast of the North Sea, which is quite a difference. The storm surge would not be a problem though, as our dikes facing the North Sea are about 40 ft high. Those are designed to cope with 23 ft waves on top of a 17 ft tide (the once in 10,000 years storm), so would easily take a 30 ft storm surge.
    https://twitter.com/NHC_TAFB/status/906012748332515328

    50 ft waves on top of 20 ft storm surge. That would overtop the dikes, and that typically leads to collapse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I was referring to Houston. I made an assumption about the thread based on the title :shrug:
    no, you weren't - you responded to my post 'people shit on america' - i don't see that in the thread title.
    teds you gotta turn that frowny potatoeface upside down m8.

    I agree with Aea - it was pretty clear he was talking about houston, CryingEagles and STRONKDUTCHWINDMILLING aside.
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    Earthquake of magnitude 8.1 strikes off Mexico's Pacific coast
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41197831

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    I'll crosspost this from the daytthread lest it gets lost....

    Right after a huge CME....



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    Irma doing a number on the Carribbean at the moment, and then this pilot arrives on the scene.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...es-puerto-rico

    Dunno how he managed to get the plane in the air with balls that big

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