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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    Hm....maybe I'll go for the X470 Asus one instead...
    If you do go Asus then apparently the Prime Pro is a very nice board. Whatever you do don't buy the TUF one. I have the Crosshair VII and have thought on several occasions that I would have been better off with the Prime Pro. One of the reasons I got it was the supposedly good audio chip but it was still noisy garbage so I ended up buying an external USB Sound Blaster X G6 for example. And supposedly the Prime Pro reaches better RAM overclocks than the Crosshair VII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    The stock cooler is also decent.
    Compared to other stock coolers sure. But a Noctua is MUCH quieter, MUCH cooler (>10 C difference on idle on my 2600x) and will allow the CPU to clock itself higher for longer. It's a really necessary purchase in my book, even if you never touch a single OC setting.

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    2 more days until Noctua Day for Malcy! (Unless the 5g tube of thermal paste that Amazon decided in their infinite wisdom to ship separately comes later)


    Speaking of Asus, the review embargo for their 4900HS CPU 14" laptop was lifted and god damb, that is a nifty laptop

    Hardware Unboxed review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9JcW_LtXH8

    Amazing performance for a 35W TDP CPU. And they've squeezed in a 2060 (mobile) GPU as well.
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    I think Noctua include thermal paste with their CPU coolers if that is what you are expecting

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    Oh. Well that's 4.99 wasted then.
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    Since when is 16Gb of RAM not enough? I'm noticing more and more that I am in the 80% danger zone for my laptop. I stripped out all the bloatware as best as I can, but some services I enjoy so I let them startup.

    I believe my laptop has 4x slots for RAM, 2x are used. Can I be safely just adding 2x more of the same type? Maybe even same manufacturer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equium Duo View Post
    Since when is 16Gb of RAM not enough? I'm noticing more and more that I am in the 80% danger zone for my laptop. I stripped out all the bloatware as best as I can, but some services I enjoy so I let them startup.

    I believe my laptop has 4x slots for RAM, 2x are used. Can I be safely just adding 2x more of the same type? Maybe even same manufacturer?
    In theory yes, as long as the specs are the same, manufacturer won't matter.
    But not having 4 sticks from the same kit, can result in issues. And those issues bring bluescreens.

    Chance for it to happen is low, really low.
    And for those that goes 2x16 > 4x8, only benchmark software can spot the difference.
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    I have 2x laptops (redundnat one for work) so maybe I can buy 2x 16gb, and then switch my 2x8gb into my backup. The impacts of thyat one having bluescreens are not so prominent. it basically just sits around for just incase the main goes down.

    Thanks for the adivce

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    Once Zen2 present in 4900HS with it's IPC improvements makes it way to desktop Intel will be fucked completely. Also I'm holding off my pc upgrade and will buy it on day 1 including early adopter tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equium Duo View Post
    I have 2x laptops (redundnat one for work) so maybe I can buy 2x 16gb, and then switch my 2x8gb into my backup. The impacts of thyat one having bluescreens are not so prominent. it basically just sits around for just incase the main goes down.

    Thanks for the adivce
    Check the maximum amount of supported RAM if it's an older model, I pulled a non-zero amount of hair when upgrading memory in my venerable Thinkpad (everything seemed to go fine until X amount of RAM was used, then it crashed).
    Also, what kind of beast laptop has 4 RAM slots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Once Zen2 present in 4900HS with it's IPC improvements makes it way to desktop Intel will be fucked completely. Also I'm holding off my pc upgrade and will buy it on day 1 including early adopter tax.
    I don't think the 4900 design will come to the desktop, not any time soon. Both the 4900 and the current Ryzen 3xxx desktop chips use very similar variants of the Zen 2 cores, the big difference is the 4900 having the cores, cache and I/O all on the same die while the desktop chips have the cores in a physically separated chiplet. The 4900's all-in-one design gives some extra performance and power savings, but dramatically increases the cost of producing the chip and lowers yields. No point in AMD using this layout on the desktop when the existing cheaper to make chiplet based parts are already dominating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Once Zen2 present in 4900HS with it's IPC improvements makes it way to desktop Intel will be fucked completely. Also I'm holding off my pc upgrade and will buy it on day 1 including early adopter tax.
    Er, Zen2 is already on the desktop and has been since August last year.

    The 4900HS is definitely outperformed by the Zen 2 desktop equivalent 8c/16t CPU, the 3700X, and on the desktop, Intel are already in deep trouble. What is remarkable is how close it gets given how little power it uses to do so. This means that Intel are now being threatened in the mobile/laptop market, which is much more important to them (in both volume and margin) than the desktop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Equium Duo View Post
    I have 2x laptops (redundnat one for work) so maybe I can buy 2x 16gb, and then switch my 2x8gb into my backup. The impacts of thyat one having bluescreens are not so prominent. it basically just sits around for just incase the main goes down.

    Thanks for the adivce
    Check the maximum amount of supported RAM if it's an older model, I pulled a non-zero amount of hair when upgrading memory in my venerable Thinkpad (everything seemed to go fine until X amount of RAM was used, then it crashed).
    Also, what kind of beast laptop has 4 RAM slots?
    My Dell M6600 had four RAM slots.

    I still miss it.


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    Its pretty new, a PC Specialist with i7-9750h, 2070 MaxQ. So I assume its ok? But I will check with the manufacturer website

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    Noctua arrived, fitted after a bit more fiddling about than I expected for a heatsink but I suppose it is fucking enormous. I can confirm it does come with thermal paste, which I used.

    It's brought my temps down about 12-14C, and it's almost completely silent. I know this because now I can easily hear my GPU fan, the sound of which I never noticed before behind the CPU fan. Overall, it's brought the noise level down about about 75%. I'm planning to replace the GPU later this year (pandemics permitting) so I'm going to leave it like that for now. I'll think about low-noise options when I upgrade.
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    Well Newegg shipping sure isn't affected by the covids. Ordered the 32GB G.Skill Tuesday, showed up Wednesday.

    Ryzen 3600 is $30 off most places right now, $250.

    Motherboards...I've got an ASrock mATX in my storage PC/HTPC setup, works fine for just basic stuff. Are the tiny chipset fans noticeably noisy?

    ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4: On sale for $190 right now. Don't really need PCI 4.0 or whatever, but it is a current gen motherboard for a bit more than then Asus X470 I was considering...Asus Prime X470-Pro is $160.

    Also Newegg has a $30 MIB as well, so basically if the MIB shows up, it's about the same price as the Asus X470.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Noctua arrived, fitted after a bit more fiddling about than I expected for a heatsink but I suppose it is fucking enormous. I can confirm it does come with thermal paste, which I used.

    It's brought my temps down about 12-14C, and it's almost completely silent. I know this because now I can easily hear my GPU fan, the sound of which I never noticed before behind the CPU fan. Overall, it's brought the noise level down about about 75%. I'm planning to replace the GPU later this year (pandemics permitting) so I'm going to leave it like that for now. I'll think about low-noise options when I upgrade.
    Yeah after getting Noctuas for my current PC, I'm never going anything but. The tower cooler had some crap ass fan that started clicking within a year. Swapped on one of the Noctuas, silent running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    Motherboards...I've got an ASrock mATX in my storage PC/HTPC setup, works fine for just basic stuff. Are the tiny chipset fans noticeably noisy?
    Honestly, I don't know. Most of the concern around the chipset fans revolves around the fact that they exist in the first place. They're seen as another point of failure, and in the old days (when chipset fans were more common) they had an unusually high failure rate.

    The advantage of X570 boards over X470 is pretty much: 1) PCIe 4.0 support, 2) some high-end features not related to the chipset, like 2.5Gbps Ethernet or dual NICs.

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    Although it's not intrinsic to the chipset, they also seem to mostly be built with much beefier VRMs, better connectivity, etc.
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    Zen 3 leak (no guarantees, at your own risk, etc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhv4DOhqLqI

    tl;dr: mostly pretty much what was expected - 10-15% single thread IPC gain, 8-core CCXs with unified 32Mb L3 cache (rather than 2x 4-core with 16Mb each) which should improve multi-thread performance for apps that currently use more than one CCX, but no explicit stats there (tbf it'd be pretty hard to quantify with a single metric)
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    Alright, this idea was born in the graphics card thread, but has little to do with graphics card apart from my card being a limiting factor.

    So I want to change my rather large case to a small-ish ITX case.
    This is the current build:
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    I will move all parts except the mainboard and the aio over to the new case.
    The new setup:
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    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (141.80 @ Alza)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (139.89 @ Alternate)
    Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (104.99 @ ARLT)
    Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
    Storage: Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (89.23 @ Amazon Deutschland)
    Video Card: Asus Radeon RX VEGA 64 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card
    Case: Phanteks Evolv Shift Air Mini ITX Tower Case (147.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS SGX 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (140.80 @ Alza)
    Total: 763.71
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-03 22:06 CEST+0200

    You'll notice that this doesn't have a CPU cooler. I am contemplating using the stock cooler. Alternatively I could buy a 120mm AIO or a Noctua NH-L12sScythe Big Shuriken 3. I would prefer air cooled due to ease of installation.

    The case will most likely be the mesh version of the Phanteks Evolve Shift, aleviating a lot of the temperature issues. Another option would be getting the regular version with the tempered glas sides, but glas on the cpu side and a replacement mesh side for the gpu.

    I am aware of the fact that the Evovle Shift is rather hot and the Asus Vega 64 isn't a cool running card, but that is why I want to go with a mesh panel on the GPU side. And the GPU will be oriented to face out.

    Edit: Ignore the prices, I'm ordering from caseking.de anyway.
    Edit2: The Noctua doesn't have the RAM clearance to fit the Tridents. The Scythe does fit. It might get a Noctua fan anyway though. Embrace the brown!
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    The Noctua NH-l9a would be an option I guess but I don't know if it's actually better as it is on the smaller side. Cheaper though.

    https://noctua.at/en/nh-l9a-am4

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