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    To see it's not AMD that has problems competing with or maintaining single core performance over time.
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    To see it's not AMD that has problems competing with or maintaining single core performance over time.
    If AMD runs worse on Windows then that's just more reason not to use them

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    Sure, if you can't not use an OS that basically intentionally cripples your CPU brand by intermittently applying slow patches for another brand's problems, then yes you're better off using the brand of CPU which that OS is biased for...
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    Mhh, I can't install the 1803 patch. 0x80070643 error.
    Gonna delete the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download stuff and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    To see it's not AMD that has problems competing with or maintaining single core performance over time.
    If AMD runs worse on Windows then that's just more reason not to use them
    Yes but your retarded hate boner for AMD is legendary so why would anyone give a shit about your opinions in the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Mhh, I can't install the 1803 patch. 0x80070643 error.
    Gonna delete the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download stuff and try again.
    F
    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    To see it's not AMD that has problems competing with or maintaining single core performance over time.
    If AMD runs worse on Windows then that's just more reason not to use them
    Yes but your retarded hate boner for AMD is legendary so why would anyone give a shit about your opinions in the matter.
    Sorry for not being a contrarian, I just buy what works better

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    Christ people, stop engaging Xeno and just throw him on ignore. He's either a rabid nvidia/intel fanboy who'll never see any sort of sense or he's just trolling you guys. Probably the latter, although calling him a troll instead of just stupid might be giving him too much credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    Christ people, stop engaging Xeno and just throw him on ignore. He's either a rabid nvidia/intel fanboy who'll never see any sort of sense or he's just trolling you guys. Probably the latter, although calling him a troll instead of just stupid might be giving him too much credit.
    Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll fam, I've said elsewhere that I'd buy AMD GPUs if they had anything that competed at the top end, and I'd recommend Ryzen to most people making a new entry/mid level build.

    I don't subscribe to "Nvidia/intel are evil so you should settle for an inferior product" however, which is what normally gets shouted at me when I say the above.
    If AMD slam dunk their next GPU release then sure I'll jump ship, I just don't see it happening.

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    So I checked my old computer, and the PSU is an Antec 550W one:

    http://store.antec.com/basiqseries/bp550-plus.html

    The new setup will be a 2600X, 16gb of ram, a GTX 970, a 250gb m2 ssd, a 2tb hdd, possibly a blu-ray drive. Will the 550W psu be enough? A psu calculator I used suggested a draw of 440W so a rating of 490W was suggested. Affiliate suggestion was 750W .

    BTW, the calculator and settings, yes I included a large-ish aio watercooler:
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    OuterVision PSU Calculator part list

    Motherboard: Desktop
    CPU: 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
    CPU Speed: 3600MHz
    CPU Vcore: 1.1V
    CPU Utilization: 90%
    Memory: 2 x 8GB DDR4 Module
    Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
    Core Clock: 1050MHz
    Memory Clock: 1750MHz
    Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
    Storage: 1 x SATA 7.2K RPM
    Optical Drive: 1 x Blu-Ray Drive
    Other Device: 3 x USB 2.0 Device
    Other Device: 2 x USB 3.0 Device
    Keyboard: 1 x Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse: 1 x Gaming Mouse
    Fan: 3 x 120mm
    Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x Corsair Hydro H110i
    Computer Utilization: 8 hours per day
    Gaming/Video Editing/3D Rendering Time: 8 hours per day
    Monitor: 2 x LED 27 inches

    Load Wattage: 440W
    Recommended Wattage: 490W
    Amperage: +3.3V: 9.5A, +5V: 13.2A, +12V: 28.5A
    Recommended UPS Rating: 1000VA
    Generated by OuterVision PSU Calculator 2018-05-10 12:42:28
    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    So I checked my old computer, and the PSU is an Antec 550W one:

    http://store.antec.com/basiqseries/bp550-plus.html

    The new setup will be a 2600X, 16gb of ram, a GTX 970, a 250gb m2 ssd, a 2tb hdd, possibly a blu-ray drive. Will the 550W psu be enough? A psu calculator I used suggested a draw of 440W so a rating of 490W was suggested. Affiliate suggestion was 750W .

    BTW, the calculator and settings, yes I included a large-ish aio watercooler:
      Spoiler:

    OuterVision PSU Calculator part list

    Motherboard: Desktop
    CPU: 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
    CPU Speed: 3600MHz
    CPU Vcore: 1.1V
    CPU Utilization: 90%
    Memory: 2 x 8GB DDR4 Module
    Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
    Core Clock: 1050MHz
    Memory Clock: 1750MHz
    Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
    Storage: 1 x SATA 7.2K RPM
    Optical Drive: 1 x Blu-Ray Drive
    Other Device: 3 x USB 2.0 Device
    Other Device: 2 x USB 3.0 Device
    Keyboard: 1 x Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse: 1 x Gaming Mouse
    Fan: 3 x 120mm
    Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x Corsair Hydro H110i
    Computer Utilization: 8 hours per day
    Gaming/Video Editing/3D Rendering Time: 8 hours per day
    Monitor: 2 x LED 27 inches

    Load Wattage: 440W
    Recommended Wattage: 490W
    Amperage: +3.3V: 9.5A, +5V: 13.2A, +12V: 28.5A
    Recommended UPS Rating: 1000VA
    Generated by OuterVision PSU Calculator 2018-05-10 12:42:28
    Looks good, the PSU should be fine too

    What resolution are you gaming at? the 970 will be fine for 1080p but anything higher might be a stretch

    The Corsair h100/110 series coolers are excellent, I have a replacement on my shelf that I need to install but they're a bit of a ballache to do solo in my case

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    So I checked my old computer, and the PSU is an Antec 550W one:

    http://store.antec.com/basiqseries/bp550-plus.html

    The new setup will be a 2600X, 16gb of ram, a GTX 970, a 250gb m2 ssd, a 2tb hdd, possibly a blu-ray drive. Will the 550W psu be enough? A psu calculator I used suggested a draw of 440W so a rating of 490W was suggested. Affiliate suggestion was 750W .

    BTW, the calculator and settings, yes I included a large-ish aio watercooler:
      Spoiler:

    OuterVision PSU Calculator part list

    Motherboard: Desktop
    CPU: 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
    CPU Speed: 3600MHz
    CPU Vcore: 1.1V
    CPU Utilization: 90%
    Memory: 2 x 8GB DDR4 Module
    Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
    Core Clock: 1050MHz
    Memory Clock: 1750MHz
    Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
    Storage: 1 x SATA 7.2K RPM
    Optical Drive: 1 x Blu-Ray Drive
    Other Device: 3 x USB 2.0 Device
    Other Device: 2 x USB 3.0 Device
    Keyboard: 1 x Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse: 1 x Gaming Mouse
    Fan: 3 x 120mm
    Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x Corsair Hydro H110i
    Computer Utilization: 8 hours per day
    Gaming/Video Editing/3D Rendering Time: 8 hours per day
    Monitor: 2 x LED 27 inches

    Load Wattage: 440W
    Recommended Wattage: 490W
    Amperage: +3.3V: 9.5A, +5V: 13.2A, +12V: 28.5A
    Recommended UPS Rating: 1000VA
    Generated by OuterVision PSU Calculator 2018-05-10 12:42:28
    Looks good, the PSU should be fine too

    What resolution are you gaming at? the 970 will be fine for 1080p but anything higher might be a stretch

    The Corsair h100/110 series coolers are excellent, I have a replacement on my shelf that I need to install but they're a bit of a ballache to do solo in my case
    All my screens are 1080, at most I would love to go VR, but not any time soon. The only game I would do that for is Elite and I hardly play that right now anyway. So yeah, the 970 will be fine for a while. The H110 was only there as a placeholder, may take the Thermaltake one for being a bit more flashy.
    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Mhh, I can't install the 1803 patch. 0x80070643 error.
    Gonna delete the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download stuff and try again.
    F
    Deleted stuff, updated again.

    A thousand restarts later: No

    But new error: 0x800f081e
    Google: Remove Windows Media Player

    In hinsigt, cheaping out and buying Windwos N Edition was kinda a dump idea. So much trouble with ever major upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    So I had four BSODs in a row playing Battletech. Minidump pointed towards a mainboard issue with the USB driver. Looked for a driver update from MSI but no luck, last driver is from like 2013 or 2014.

    Yeah, it's an i5 2500K system. Everything is from around that date except the SSD (IIRC) and definitely the 970, which was bought when the original 560ti died - one month before the 1080 was released.

    Anyway.

    Updated the MS drivers, saw a new Win10 version available, 1803. I run the upgrade and once it's done, I end up in a login loop (enter pw, system loads just to dump me back to the login screen).

    If it weren't for the BSODs, I'd just fix the windows issue, but I'd rather do it sort of right.

    So my question is:

    AMD or Intel? What are the benefits of going AMD?

    2600X or 2700X? (I don't overclock - thought about it when I bought the 2500K but never got around to doing it.)

    Or rather an i5 or i7?

    I will need a new mainboard, a new PSU (I think the current one has 500 or 600W), a bigger SSD (from 128 to 250 or so) and RAM. Are the suggestions in the first post still good for those?
    First of all try to fix windows. Unless you want to upgrade at any cost. Run memtest and see what's up with the RAM since most of it has lifetime warranty you may be just a free RMA away from not having to upgrade.

    Inspect the PSU internals before committing to keeping it. Swollen caps happen and if the PSU is fine there's no real need to upgrade if you're using a green Nvidia gpu.

    Go bigger in the SSD. 512GB are ok priced (look for 480GB, 500GB and so on, they're variations around that capacity).

    Anything you choose, have fun assembling it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Mhh, I can't install the 1803 patch. 0x80070643 error.
    Gonna delete the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download stuff and try again.
    F
    Deleted stuff, updated again.

    A thousand restarts later: No

    But new error: 0x800f081e
    Google: Remove Windows Media Player

    In hinsigt, cheaping out and buying Windwos N Edition was kinda a dump idea. So much trouble with ever major upgrade.
    Oh god, windows N (and KN, the Korean version)

    It's basically Microsoft's compliance with anti-monopoly laws, I had the same "N" version that wouldn't let windows firewall/defender be installed alongside any other antivirus

    Yeah, way too much faffing about to be worth the savings.

    IIRC it comes down to how certain countries handle "bundled" software

    when I upgraded I got a mate to give me an Enterprise key and it's all been smooth sailing since then (even including additional privacy/update settings not included in the consumer versions)

    If you want to replace WMP, then check out MPC-HC or one of the other forks (not VLC, it's a heap of garbage) potplayer and realplayer are both good alternatives if you need a fancier UI than MPC
    Last edited by XenosisMk4; May 10 2018 at 08:27:22 PM.

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    I don't need WMP, it's just that some other .dll files or similar are needed by games and programs. So I have to install the media future back again after every major system patch. (I use mpv, MPC-HC is discontinued)

    Also I forgot that the default drivers for the Sound Blaster Z don't work. So with every upgrade I also have to remove the sound drivers and find some old ones. Fuck me.

    Upgrade is now installed though )))
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    So I assembled my new stuff (C7H, 2600X, 16GB 3200C14 TridentZ) yesterday and it seems to most work. Some quick thoughts:

    The stock cooler provided with the 2600X is pretty decent for a stock cooler. Quiet at low RPM, much louder but not annoyingly so at high RPM. However, it can't properly cool the CPU under extremely high load. Half an hour of Prime95 saw peaks of 87C. I'll be switching to an old Noctua NH-U12P SE2 cooler soonish thanks to Noctua providing me with AM4 brackets free of charge (still need to get cooling paste though). I expect it to cool better and be a lot quieter, especially at load.

    Q-fan settings in the BIOS are shit, all the fans spin up way too high even on Silent. Thankfully the Asus Fanxpert4 software is a lot better, so after some judicious tinkering my PC is silent at idle again.

    BIOS upgrade to latest version was needed before I could overclock my RAM at all, wasn't even able to boot Windows at 2666 before. Running 3200C14 with safe Stilt timings now and haven't seen any errors yet.

    PC isn't 100% rock-solid yet, even though it passes >30 mins Prime95, as I've seen one black screen while it was sitting idle in Windows, and after sleeping it last night it was sitting at a BIOS memory problem screen this morning. But I'm still changing settings a lot, so not fully there yet anyway.

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    Is there really any noticeable payoff to overclocking RAM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Is there really any noticeable payoff to overclocking RAM?
    Posting about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vDJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Is there really any noticeable payoff to overclocking RAM?
    Posting about it.
    Fair

    in hardware news, I'm gonna grab this

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predat...35&sr=8-1&th=1

    and then wait for the 1100 GPU line to launch of w/e it'll be

    (unless somebody has a massively cheaper 144hz 1440p IPS monitor somewhere)

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