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    I managed to get my hands on a 3950x yesterday.
    Guess I'm upgrading my PC and it will be an AMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
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    RISC V is coming, so err more towards fabs than those tied to ARM licencing.
    RISC-V is going to be huge. It's still running under the radar for most people involved in IT, but 5 years from now it'll be pushing ARM out of the microcontroller market and probably making inroads in mobile. The ARM investors who sold out to Softbank will look back on that as a smart move.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tailn
    They wont truly be able to stand up to Intel with out some more control over their production, While Intel has been caught sleeping I don't see them staying that way for much longer.
    Intel is in way more trouble than is generally accepted. Their 10nm node just doesn't work worth a damn. They've managed to get yields up from non-existent to merely in the toilet, but even after all the work they've done the performance isn't there. The few 10nm parts that have trickled out have lower performance than the 14nm ones; that's why Intel recently launched both 10nm and 14nm mobile chips. The 10nm ones so they can say "hey, we're shipping 10nm!" and 14nm so they have something to sell that doesn't totally suck.

    So Intel is going to be stuck with almost all their product on 14nm till 2021 at least, because they have to come up with a process technology that actually works. And that's the big problem. AMD's chiplet strategy has put a major hurt on Intel's capacity to supply 14nm dies. Intel is behind on process technology and architecture, so every time AMD launches a new chip Intel has to counter by increasing core counts and pushing clocks nearer to the redline. Which craters yields.

    Today's Threadripper 3 reviews nicely highlight the situation. AMD has blown Intel out of the HEDT market using an I/O die that's on an old 12nm process and a bunch of 7nm chiplets that are so small and cheap to make they can afford to use them in < $150 chips. Intel's response is a giant, expensive, difficult to make 18-core monolithic die, which still gets it's arse handed to it by the TR3 parts. I'm just guessing the figures, but I suspect the fab resources needed to make one 18-core i9 could easily produce enough ZEN2 chiplets for a dozen TR3s.

    Intel needs a new process, a new architecture and chiplet technology. And they need to do that quickly enough to keep up with AMD, who are using a better process, already have chiplets, and are continually advancing the ZEN architecture. Not a big ask, really...
    That's the first time I heard about it. Good to know, will do my research later.

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    Got my eye on 2TB SATA SSDs in Black Friday deals. Anyone know good ones to look out for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    Got my eye on 2TB SATA SSDs in Black Friday deals. Anyone know good ones to look out for?
    Game drive or bulk storage ?

    Samsung always makes good and fast drives.
    For a longevity drive, look at the TBW rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    Got my eye on 2TB SATA SSDs in Black Friday deals. Anyone know good ones to look out for?
    Game drive or bulk storage ?

    Samsung always makes good and fast drives.
    For a longevity drive, look at the TBW rating.
    Game drive for sure. Being told to look at Crucial MX 500s by a mate, also looked at Samsung 860 EVO/QVO. Crucial's a lot cheaper tho, but does that mean worse?

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    What's the price difference? If it is not much to you then just get the 860 and bask in the glory of having the better drive of the two.

    Generally though, if you did an "SSD Pepsi challenge" with the two drives you'd be quite unlikely to notice any difference between them in day-to-day use.

    I have an MX500 as a data drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    Got my eye on 2TB SATA SSDs in Black Friday deals. Anyone know good ones to look out for?
    Game drive or bulk storage ?

    Samsung always makes good and fast drives.
    For a longevity drive, look at the TBW rating.
    Game drive for sure. Being told to look at Crucial MX 500s by a mate, also looked at Samsung 860 EVO/QVO. Crucial's a lot cheaper tho, but does that mean worse?
    No, both are excellent drives. I too am looking for a 2TB version of either of those drives.
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    Is there any reason at all for a high end gaming rig to go for 64gb memory?
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    Zero if you're sure gaming's all it's really gonna do.

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    Unless you want to run Arma or DCS from ramdisk, yeah, pretty much.

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    Then I think my new shopping list is done.


    Chassi: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass, Mid Tower Silver
    Power Supply: Corsair HX1000, 1000W PSU, 80 PLUS Platinum

    Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS Xtreme, Socket-AM4
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Processor
    Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB
    Memory: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4 RGB 32GB 3200Mhz
    OS Hard Drive: Corsair Force Series MP600 1TB M.2 SSD 4950/4250 MB/s

    Graphics card carried over from old rig.
    Gigabyte 1080ti something.
    Waiting for next gen GPU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Then I think my new shopping list is done.


    Chassi: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass, Mid Tower Silver
    Power Supply: Corsair HX1000, 1000W PSU, 80 PLUS Platinum

    Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS Xtreme, Socket-AM4
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Processor
    Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB
    Memory: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4 RGB 32GB 3200Mhz
    OS Hard Drive: Corsair Force Series MP600 1TB M.2 SSD 4950/4250 MB/s

    Graphics card carried over from old rig.
    Gigabyte 1080ti something.
    Waiting for next gen GPU.
    I've heard a lot of people complain about that motherboard about chipset overheating, apparently MSI's top model is miles better. Also you don't need 1kW PSU for a single 1080ti and a 105W TDP CPU, it would be overkill even for SLI setup.

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    PSU also carries over.
    Got a pile of HDD's that comes a long.

    Thanks, I was unaware of issues with the Xtreme.
    I need a board with 3x m.2 slots. And I like the sleek design on it. Side on chassi got a glass door.

    I'm no fan of the MSI, got very limited storage capacity on BIOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    What's the price difference? If it is not much to you then just get the 860 and bask in the glory of having the better drive of the two.

    Generally though, if you did an "SSD Pepsi challenge" with the two drives you'd be quite unlikely to notice any difference between them in day-to-day use.

    I have an MX500 as a data drive.
    60-80 difference depending on where I look at the moment (2TB version) between MX500 and 860. If there's not much between them I might as well save the cash I suppose - cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    PSU also carries over.
    Got a pile of HDD's that comes a long.

    Thanks, I was unaware of issues with the Xtreme.
    I need a board with 3x m.2 slots. And I like the sleek design on it. Side on chassi got a glass door.

    I'm no fan of the MSI, got very limited storage capacity on BIOS.
    Do you really need 3 NVMe drives? Have you counted how many PCIe lanes that will use? Ryzen 3000 only has 24 lanes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    PSU also carries over.
    Got a pile of HDD's that comes a long.

    Thanks, I was unaware of issues with the Xtreme.
    I need a board with 3x m.2 slots. And I like the sleek design on it. Side on chassi got a glass door.

    I'm no fan of the MSI, got very limited storage capacity on BIOS.
    Do you really need 3 NVMe drives? Have you counted how many PCIe lanes that will use? Ryzen 3000 only has 24 lanes.
    They take up a SATA lane. So I will use m.2 over SSD's.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    What's the price difference? If it is not much to you then just get the 860 and bask in the glory of having the better drive of the two.

    Generally though, if you did an "SSD Pepsi challenge" with the two drives you'd be quite unlikely to notice any difference between them in day-to-day use.

    I have an MX500 as a data drive.
    60-80 difference depending on where I look at the moment (2TB version) between MX500 and 860. If there's not much between them I might as well save the cash I suppose - cheers!
    I might pay like 20 extra but no more, so that should be an easy decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    PSU also carries over.
    Got a pile of HDD's that comes a long.

    Thanks, I was unaware of issues with the Xtreme.
    I need a board with 3x m.2 slots. And I like the sleek design on it. Side on chassi got a glass door.

    I'm no fan of the MSI, got very limited storage capacity on BIOS.
    Do you really need 3 NVMe drives? Have you counted how many PCIe lanes that will use? Ryzen 3000 only has 24 lanes.
    They take up a SATA lane. So I will use m.2 over SSD's.
    Depends on the type of nvme. Some will use PCI-e, some will use the SATA controller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    They take up a SATA lane.
    You're doing it wrong.
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    They take up a SATA lane.
    You're doing it wrong.
    m.2 slot 1, controlled by the cpu
    m.2 slot 2 and 3, is controlled by the x570 chipset.
    While slot 3 shares things with 2 sata ports and can't be used at the same time.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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