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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Get 32gb mem.
    It's a bitch upgrading later one, if they aren't from the same kit.
    Can experience some issues.

    The rest is sound. But spend some money on a 1tb m2 drive for OS and games.
    Won't regret it.
    Is all the doom and gloom about the cheap QLC NVME drives something to believe? I've got a 250 GB mx500 sata3 currently as a boot drive. I'm definitely going to get an m.2 form factor, but the cheap NVME all seem to be QLC while you can get TLC sata drives for the same prices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Personally, I would rather have 16GB of 3200 CAS14 than 32GB of CAS16. But CAS16 is a really good value these days ($70 for a CAS16 16GB kit vs $125 for CAS14, and $138 for 32GB of CAS16), so the choice is yours.
    Prices are a bit crap for CAS14. Corsair LPX 3200 CAS 16 32GB kit is ~240 CAD, CAS 14 is about $350 for some G.Skill. At least on PCpartpicker.
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    This would be the memory that I'd be looking at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z45XB3G..._t2_B07X8DVDZZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Get 32gb mem.
    It's a bitch upgrading later one, if they aren't from the same kit.
    Can experience some issues.

    The rest is sound. But spend some money on a 1tb m2 drive for OS and games.
    Won't regret it.
    Is all the doom and gloom about the cheap QLC NVME drives something to believe? I've got a 250 GB mx500 sata3 currently as a boot drive. I'm definitely going to get an m.2 form factor, but the cheap NVME all seem to be QLC while you can get TLC sata drives for the same prices.
    Avoid the cheap "laptop" versions.
    What you want is Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD with a respectable 3500/3300MB/s read/write speed.
    It is not cheap, but for half the price you get virtually half the speed like the Crucial P1 1TB M.2 SSD.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    This would be the memory that I'd be looking at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z45XB3G..._t2_B07X8DVDZZ
    Oh those seem decent.

    ~210-240 here for that. Better than the CL16 3200 Corsairs I was looking at, for about the same price. The slightly slower other timings I take it really aren't that big of a deal when you're at 3600 instead of 3200? The Corsairs were 16-18-18-36 vs the 16-19-19-39 G.Skill.

    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Avoid the cheap "laptop" versions.
    What you want is Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD with a respectable 3500/3300MB/s read/write speed.
    It is not cheap, but for half the price you get virtually half the speed like the Crucial P1 1TB M.2 SSD.
    Hmm. I wanted to avoid paying the Samsung 970 tax, but maybe it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Avoid the cheap "laptop" versions.
    What you want is Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD with a respectable 3500/3300MB/s read/write speed.
    It is not cheap, but for half the price you get virtually half the speed like the Crucial P1 1TB M.2 SSD.
    Hmm. I wanted to avoid paying the Samsung 970 tax, but maybe it's worth it.
    With the performance you get also get the durability.
    The amounts of re-writes it can perform before losing integrity is insane.
    It will never wear out, before it is time to replace it.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Avoid the cheap "laptop" versions.
    What you want is Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD with a respectable 3500/3300MB/s read/write speed.
    It is not cheap, but for half the price you get virtually half the speed like the Crucial P1 1TB M.2 SSD.
    Hmm. I wanted to avoid paying the Samsung 970 tax, but maybe it's worth it.
    With the performance you get also get the durability.
    The amounts of re-writes it can perform before losing integrity is insane.
    It will never wear out, before it is time to replace it.
    True enough. 970 Evo Plus 500GB is $140 at a local shop, 1TB is $350. The 500GB is still double my current SSD capacity...I realize higher capacity is better lifespan as well, but my current SSD has been around for a while and is only at 25TB lifetime writes according to CrystalDiskInfo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    It will never wear out, before it is time to replace it.
    Nor will a QLC with normal desktop usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Avoid the cheap "laptop" versions.
    What you want is Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD with a respectable 3500/3300MB/s read/write speed.
    It is not cheap, but for half the price you get virtually half the speed like the Crucial P1 1TB M.2 SSD.
    Hmm. I wanted to avoid paying the Samsung 970 tax, but maybe it's worth it.
    With the performance you get also get the durability.
    The amounts of re-writes it can perform before losing integrity is insane.
    It will never wear out, before it is time to replace it.
    True enough. 970 Evo Plus 500GB is $140 at a local shop, 1TB is $350. The 500GB is still double my current SSD capacity...I realize higher capacity is better lifespan as well, but my current SSD has been around for a while and is only at 25TB lifetime writes according to CrystalDiskInfo.
    The thing with these drives are, the bigger they are, faster they get.

    Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD
    PCIe Gen 3.0 x 4, NVMe 1.3, V-NAND TLC, Up to 3500/3300MB/s read/write, 600TBW

    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 SSD
    M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4, V-NAND MLC, up to 3400/2300MB/s read/write, 300TBW

    1tb also got double TBW (life span measure)
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    The speed difference there is pretty trivial. 500GB is big enough for a boot drive even in these bloated days.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    The speed difference there is pretty trivial. 500GB is big enough for a boot drive even in these bloated days.
    A 250gb partition for the OS. And rest for a game drive.
    1tb > 0.5tb
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    The speed difference there is pretty trivial. 500GB is big enough for a boot drive even in these bloated days.
    A 250gb partition for the OS. And rest for a game drive.
    1tb > 0.5tb
    Paying $140 > paying $350
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    Entirely with Malc for the above tbh.

    Also the rewrite panic is entirely pointless for a basic desktop drive

    Can then just slap a huge sata ssd on top which are dirt cheap relatively for your games etc and it wont fucking matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Entirely with Malc for the above tbh.

    Also the rewrite panic is entirely pointless for a basic desktop drive

    Can then just slap a huge sata ssd on top which are dirt cheap relatively for your games etc and it wont fucking matter.
    Dual SSD team reporting in. Can confirm.
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    Also while NVMe is indeed a lot faster than a SATA SSD you'll only notice it when working with massive files or when copying lots of smaller files around or something like that, but when you're just starting a game you won't notice it at all. Yes a Samsung 970 EVO is awesome but if you don't want to spend that much then don't, you're unlikely to miss it if you buy something cheaper. Both Intel and Crucial make NVMe QLC drives that are very decent if you can get them at a price that makes sense (will depend a lot on local market).

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    Or you can get a TLC NVME drive that's significantly cheaper than an EVO. The Sabrent Rocket series are good value, and I've been happy with my 1Tb as a game drive.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocke...5568687&sr=8-2

    1Tb
    TLC
    $150 US.


    EDIT: also my Noctua is due for delivery on thursday. Which is good because that's probably about when my WFH will start.
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    PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/64TWPn

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Newegg Canada)
    Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Memory Express)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($209.99 @ Newegg Canada)
    Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
    Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Case
    Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
    Total: $979.95
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-30 18:16 EDT-0400

    Still debating the 500GB Evo Plus vs a 1TB Intel/Crucial etc QLC drive.

    Reusing my R4 and I've got 3 NF-P14 fans (never not Noctua).

    Power supply I currently have is a Corsair HX650, it's probably fine, but at 6 years old, probably worth replacing.

    Waiting on next gen AMD/nVidia video cards as my 970 is currently fine.

    Probably order the memory as it's on sale, the motherboard should be nice as it has flashback, Intel LAN, wifi and bluetooth.

    Was debating the Asus Prime X470-Pro, but no flashback. It is $30 cheaper than the MSI one and has the G.Skill memory on the QVL list.

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    Are you absolutely sure that motherboard has the larger BIOS chip?
    The EVO Plus isn't really necessary, a regular EVO works very well.
    I have the 550W version of that PSU. It's very nice, but...be prepared for some very stiff cables.

    Flashback is not necessary if the mobo comes with Ryzen 3000 support out of the box. If it doesn't, you probably have a gimped BIOS chip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Are you absolutely sure that motherboard has the larger BIOS chip?
    The EVO Plus isn't really necessary, a regular EVO works very well.
    I have the 550W version of that PSU. It's very nice, but...be prepared for some very stiff cables.

    Flashback is not necessary if the mobo comes with Ryzen 3000 support out of the box. If it doesn't, you probably have a gimped BIOS chip.
    I forgot about the MAX. On the BIOS downloads for it, it looks like there's a "Lite" version that ditches a lot of the flashy UI of their BIOS to fit on the chip since this isn't a MAX board. Hm....maybe I'll go for the X470 Asus one instead...

    For a CPU cooler, if I'm not going to be OC'ing, pretty much any Noctua tower cooler is more than sufficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Are you absolutely sure that motherboard has the larger BIOS chip?
    The EVO Plus isn't really necessary, a regular EVO works very well.
    I have the 550W version of that PSU. It's very nice, but...be prepared for some very stiff cables.

    Flashback is not necessary if the mobo comes with Ryzen 3000 support out of the box. If it doesn't, you probably have a gimped BIOS chip.
    I forgot about the MAX. On the BIOS downloads for it, it looks like there's a "Lite" version that ditches a lot of the flashy UI of their BIOS to fit on the chip since this isn't a MAX board. Hm....maybe I'll go for the X470 Asus one instead...

    For a CPU cooler, if I'm not going to be OC'ing, pretty much any Noctua tower cooler is more than sufficient?
    The new ryzens work more like gfx cards in the way they boost so a good cooler is always nice in them.

    If you're going with noctua you can't go wrong tho rly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    For a CPU cooler, if I'm not going to be OC'ing, pretty much any Noctua tower cooler is more than sufficient?
    Yes, even the smaller Noctua coolers will work. The stock cooler is also decent.
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